I'm sorry, what exactly was your payscale effort charge? Is there a specific dollar amount and/or percentage increase you're pushing for? Or just that you wanted to weigh getting good rates vs waiting for full retro?

 

a large portion of those 30 sections will be agreed upon very quickly. there’s only a half dozen or so that are time consuming

 

You have the power to change your situation in this hiring environment.

 

Buddy you need to grow up and stop complaining.

 

Simple really. There is a standard now (thanks to the Big 3). The 320neo and 321neo have pay scales that all are using. It's basically the same thing.

SW upped the ante I believe w/ their new contract but I won't accept less than the industry standard. That cause is one we should all have.

 

I completely agree. Not one penny less that industry average. I just hope it happens soon enough that we don't wrap up negotiations right when everyone else is starting negotiations again, and we're perpetually one cycle behind.

 

At this point that's all but guaranteed unfortunately. Not seeing anything quicker than 3 years.

 

I could envision something quicker if we aren't able to retain pilots with all the deliveries we're getting. In 2023 we hired roughly 500 pilots but our seniority list only grew by about 100. Between now and the end of 2025 we're getting something on the order of 60 planes. If we need 15 pilots per aircraft then we'll need to grow our seniority list by 900 by the end of 25' which won't happen unless we stem attrition. That might be easier with the legacies slowing hiring, but that appears to be temporary due to Boeing problems. You could be right though. 3 years could be a real possibility, I'm just a perpetual optimist.

 

Unfortunately, I agree.

We have a lot of new to the airlines and frankly new to adulthood in our ranks now. And that's just fine but there's going to need to be some significant education to help everyone understand how this is going to go. And what's realistic or not. (Full retro? dream on, dreamers)

The process in front of us is long and painful. Period. (Industry average is 4 years)


The process that we have to work though is governed by the Railway Labor Act. We are strictly bound by the law, and just to give you a hint of how it works, the law was designed to keep the trains chugging and the workers working. "It's the economy, stupid"

The trains used to be absolutely critical to the economy and the Gov't didn't want train workers going on strike. It's that simple. Like it or not ( you definitely don't) we are bound to a process laid out in that act.

 

4 years left.......you bet NO, I'll be one of the <10% 🙄