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Old 06-13-2024 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
It blows my mind how junior and senior folks alike completely misunderstand how these bid postings work..

It's not 0 FOs. It's 16 upgrades, which means they get replaced with 16 FOs. The new hire class will have 16 if all show up.

The company is adding 16 slots to the seniority list. 16 folks are going to upgrade, prompting a cascade of movement on both the CA and FO side. The 16 newhires will get what remains unfilled.. Net changes is +16 for the company, +16 CAs, + 0 FOs.

Have heard a mix of rumors of 30 for July and up to 50 for July. We'll know once they craft the August sim schedule.
It isn't that we don't know how it works, but we have been seeing 20-60 a month FO side for the last 2-3 years with few CA vacancies. It used to be like 8 CA vacancies and 50 FOs. Now it is 15+ CAs and few FOs. They are also doing these upgrades too late... They have so few CA reserves and everyone's flying, our recovery options and delay issues are mainly attributed to how "overstaffed" /s we are.
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Old 06-13-2024 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
It isn't that we don't know how it works, but we have been seeing 20-60 a month FO side for the last 2-3 years with few CA vacancies. It used to be like 8 CA vacancies and 50 FOs. Now it is 15+ CAs and few FOs. They are also doing these upgrades too late... They have so few CA reserves and everyone's flying, our recovery options and delay issues are mainly attributed to how "overstaffed" /s we are.
Yeah. I suppose part of it was betting on a significant slowdown of attrition during the months of May and June. Whatever the case is.. I'd like to see more +Xs on the Florida bases lol
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Old 06-13-2024 | 06:15 PM
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https://thebulkheadseat.com/frontier...-announces-it/

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Old 06-13-2024 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Looks a lot better than the system bid at Spirit right now
Please don't give Barry and Franke pre-populated quotes they can use when we ask for more money next contract.
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Old 06-13-2024 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
Please don't give Barry and Franke pre-populated quotes they can use when we ask for more money next contract.
Yeah, I'm sure they hadn't thought of that yet.

Speaking of contract, I sure hope our mediator gets some meetings on the books here....
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Old 06-13-2024 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Yeah, I'm sure they hadn't thought of that yet.

Speaking of contract, I sure hope our mediator gets some meetings on the books here....
You have been "I sure hope" for a decade now. You really have settled at this point. Will you admit it?
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Old 06-14-2024 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek
You have been "I sure hope" for a decade now. You really have settled at this point. Will you admit it?
Yes. I'm too senior to leave. So I hope for better. But i will certainly do everything the union asks of me. I will picket, I will vote to strike and I will strike if the opportunity comes. But for now, I'm sure hoping this mediator gets some F-ing meetings scheduled instead of canceled.
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Old 06-14-2024 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Yes. I'm too senior to leave. So I hope for better. But i will certainly do everything the union asks of me. I will picket, I will vote to strike and I will strike if the opportunity comes. But for now, I'm sure hoping this mediator gets some F-ing meetings scheduled instead of canceled.
Don't explain yourself to her, she would rather you be in the bread line than working at F9.
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Old 06-15-2024 | 09:59 PM
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Frontier MEC Union Update:

Let's clarify the situation. Management has opened several small satellite bases, shifted to a day-turn model, and offloaded per diem and hotel costs onto the pilots. This has uprooted many pilots from their homes, forcing them into long commutes across the country for day turns. On top of that, the company has shown no effort good faith bargaining towards an industry standard contract.

Now the union is offering to assist the company in managing the very issues caused by its own poor planning and mismanagement.
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Old 06-16-2024 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Planedrive
Frontier MEC Union Update:

Let's clarify the situation. Management has opened several small satellite bases, shifted to a day-turn model, and offloaded per diem and hotel costs onto the pilots. This has uprooted many pilots from their homes, forcing them into long commutes across the country for day turns. On top of that, the company has shown no effort good faith bargaining towards an industry standard contract.

Now the union is offering to assist the company in managing the very issues caused by its own poor planning and mismanagement.
unless the solutions include TA our trip mix proposal language and/or other provisions in the proposal. That update was not worded particularly well imo. I agree with your sentiment from the wording. I want union leadership to have some input without handing over any potential leverage.
Keep in mind we’re building a case for release from mediation if there’s no movement over time.

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