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02-01-2026 | 06:56 PM
#931
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Maintaining individual carrier identity and contracts are fine w/ me. But, we already pretty much have a consensus on aircraft type pay and there really are only 4 airlines (with most if not all of the rest headed toward consolidation). So, it really wouldn't be that hard nor bad timing to implement.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
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02-02-2026 | 09:48 AM
#934
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Maintaining individual carrier identity and contracts are fine w/ me. But, we already pretty much have a consensus on aircraft type pay and there really are only 4 airlines (with most if not all of the rest headed toward consolidation). So, it really wouldn't be that hard nor bad timing to implement.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
I am not on board with the once a Captain always a Captain Idea. To me Captain that conveys mastery of the aircraft (type Specific) and as such just because you were flying a 787 does not mean you should be able to go straight to Captain on a A220 If you don't have time on that aircraft. Granted any time there is a new airplane type some one has to be the first to fly it. This is where the 787 pilot would shine. Not because he flew a 787 ,but because of the sheer number of aircraft type ratings he has just getting to the 787 shows a level of competence, dedication ,and experience that lines up with the "putting your best foot forward principal". If that guy wants to fly a common type he has never flown. He should start as an FO because it in impossible to truly master an Aircraft you have 0 hours in.
02-02-2026 | 10:10 AM
#935
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Maintaining individual carrier identity and contracts are fine w/ me. But, we already pretty much have a consensus on aircraft type pay and there really are only 4 airlines (with most if not all of the rest headed toward consolidation). So, it really wouldn't be that hard nor bad timing to implement.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
Step 1. Every CA at an ALPA carrier (and rumor has it AA is making the switch) is assigned a GLOBAL seniority #. ALPA 00001 pilot goes to whomever was hired first (tie goes to the older person) and so on. This seniority # is ONLY granted to existing CAs or after upgrade sim check.
Step 2. Upon next CBA negotiation, each ALPA carrier contract would require a clause/paragraph w/in the scope section that allows (not requires) for each carrier to hire/acquire pilots not currently w/ the company but currently on the ALPA seniority list and utilize them as CAs. That clause would need provisions that would ensure existing FOs continue to upgrade at a "predetermined" rate.
This would "normalize" our industry to other domestic non-aviation as well as forein aviation industries. It would incentivize FOs to upgrade at 1st opportunity. But most importantly, it would preserve/utilize the CA skillset to its fullest in the case of airline merger or failure.
The only downside is the implementation of it for the EXISTING FOs at ALPA carriers. That's a lot of pilots and while it wouldn't PREVENT them from upgrading, it could potentially delay it.
02-03-2026 | 06:33 AM
#937
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Between AL commenting about changes "some might not be happy with" in RGS and our marketing putting this out ( https://frontiermiles.com/ ) , anyone wanna take a guess?
02-03-2026 | 06:39 AM
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Between AL commenting about changes "some might not be happy with" in RGS and our marketing putting this out ( https://frontiermiles.com/ ) , anyone wanna take a guess?
A better loyalty program and a focus on not ****ing people off so they come back. Hope it works.
02-03-2026 | 06:53 AM
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Between AL commenting about changes "some might not be happy with" in RGS and our marketing putting this out ( https://frontiermiles.com/ ) , anyone wanna take a guess?
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