The problem is that the mediator doesn’t care, the NMB doesn’t care, they want a deal, and don’t care what is in it. The traveling public doesn’t care. To be clear, I don’t disagree with your desire to be compensated the same way our peers are, I will say that I think your comment about voting no if we get .01 less than Delta is insane, but you are entitled to your opinion.
At the end of the day, I don’t understand how “waiting another two years” is going to motivate the company to put a ratifiabke deal on the table. They won’t put Sun Country rates on the table today, but two years from now, they are going to puke up Delta rates? Take me through that logic.
The reality is that this company won’t do ANYTHING until THEY NEED A DEAL! That is going to happen from billboards, *****ing about what we deserve, more meetings in mediation, pining about United or Southwest rates, etc, etc, etc. It will happen when external factors that we won’t know anything about necessitate the company getting a deal done, or when Frontier pilots let Biffle and co. know, LEGALLY, not advocating for anything illegal to be clear!!! That they are fed up, ****ed off, and won’t accept anything less than a contract like DAL, UAL, ALA, SWA. Right now, we are nowhere even close. Flame away.

 

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Thank you... Not sure why he felt the need to post that. Insanity.

 

#1 reason people don’t do the right thing when they are supposed to- paperwork. Inconvenience.

 

+1 Thank you Fang, we have enough problems without being enjoined!!

 

Where are those numbers posted?

 

you gotta go to ground school for that info...

 

I would guarantee every airline has a "problem" with stabilized approach numbers. Those numbers are in constant fluctuation. Also, keep in the mind margins that they probably look at. i.e. crossing the threshold at 50 feet, vs 55 feet, vs 100 feet vs 20 feet.

It's a constant battle with the data. Which is why they always emphasize it, and they'll never stop emphasizing it.

You have to look at it from a trend perspective, or even airline vs airline perspective for comparison. Just saying "our stabilized approach numbers" w/o anything reference to anything else leaves a lot to be desired.

edit: like when we had all those tail strikes and they said we were now something like x100 more likely than any other airlines to have tail strikes. That's like a real point of comparison.

 

IDK. In the past the FOQA didn't really know how to use the software. I sat with him for 45 minutes getting one of my flights. It was painful to watch.

Our unstabilized approaches are way below industry average, but only something like 3% of unstabilized approaches result in a go around.

 

Forgot they discuss those there. Thank you.