How long for a contract?
06-27-2025 | 10:10 AM
#1761
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Totally agree with the frustration but don’t just vent here. Call your reps. Let them know directly that the membership expects more. We need visible pressure tactics like billboards, media outreach, and base-wide coordination.
If we sit back, we’re complicit in the union’s inaction. Make your voice heard and remind them: we’re not paying dues to be ignored. It’s time to turn up the heat.
Call your reps. Blow up their phones. Demand real action.
If we sit back, we’re complicit in the union’s inaction. Make your voice heard and remind them: we’re not paying dues to be ignored. It’s time to turn up the heat.
Call your reps. Blow up their phones. Demand real action.
someone just posted an article above stating that a cargo carrier requested a release almost 18 months ago, crickets from the NMB, allegiant requested a release from the NMB, crickets, FedEx requested a release from the NMB, just got parked, the last airline to get released was spirit 15 YEARS AGO.
Sorry frontier pilots, nobody is going to do it for you. Keep *****ing on apc and Facebook, thumping your chests about paying alpa with your dues money while Barry laughs his ass off at the dysfunction. Time to get involved and ask yourself what are YOU doing to move the needle?!?
06-27-2025 | 01:58 PM
#1762
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I understand the frustration, but what do you think a billboard is gonna do? Our paxx don’t care, hell, I’m not convinced a significant percentage of them can even read.
someone just posted an article above stating that a cargo carrier requested a release almost 18 months ago, crickets from the NMB, allegiant requested a release from the NMB, crickets, FedEx requested a release from the NMB, just got parked, the last airline to get released was spirit 15 YEARS AGO.
Sorry frontier pilots, nobody is going to do it for you. Keep *****ing on apc and Facebook, thumping your chests about paying alpa with your dues money while Barry laughs his ass off at the dysfunction. Time to get involved and ask yourself what are YOU doing to move the needle?!?
someone just posted an article above stating that a cargo carrier requested a release almost 18 months ago, crickets from the NMB, allegiant requested a release from the NMB, crickets, FedEx requested a release from the NMB, just got parked, the last airline to get released was spirit 15 YEARS AGO.
Sorry frontier pilots, nobody is going to do it for you. Keep *****ing on apc and Facebook, thumping your chests about paying alpa with your dues money while Barry laughs his ass off at the dysfunction. Time to get involved and ask yourself what are YOU doing to move the needle?!?
06-28-2025 | 11:01 AM
#1763
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I understand the frustration, but what do you think a billboard is gonna do? Our paxx don’t care, hell, I’m not convinced a significant percentage of them can even read.
someone just posted an article above stating that a cargo carrier requested a release almost 18 months ago, crickets from the NMB, allegiant requested a release from the NMB, crickets, FedEx requested a release from the NMB, just got parked, the last airline to get released was spirit 15 YEARS AGO.
Sorry frontier pilots, nobody is going to do it for you. Keep *****ing on apc and Facebook, thumping your chests about paying alpa with your dues money while Barry laughs his ass off at the dysfunction. Time to get involved and ask yourself what are YOU doing to move the needle?!?
someone just posted an article above stating that a cargo carrier requested a release almost 18 months ago, crickets from the NMB, allegiant requested a release from the NMB, crickets, FedEx requested a release from the NMB, just got parked, the last airline to get released was spirit 15 YEARS AGO.
Sorry frontier pilots, nobody is going to do it for you. Keep *****ing on apc and Facebook, thumping your chests about paying alpa with your dues money while Barry laughs his ass off at the dysfunction. Time to get involved and ask yourself what are YOU doing to move the needle?!?
Currently we as a pilot group are not applying any discernable pressure on the Company. Until that changes we can expect stall tactics until the end of time.
06-28-2025 | 01:07 PM
#1764
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As our latest union update stated:
“We are now twenty-three months into bargaining, we have not reached agreement on a single substantive issue, and the company still takes the position that they are unable to TA anything that will result in increased costs.”
Two years of talks, and not one tentative agreement to show for it. That should concern all of us.
We’ve now received 49 negotiation updates and we haven’t moved forward an inch. Not one meaningful win. At some point, we have to ask: where is the leadership?
We need bold, visible, and unified action.
06-28-2025 | 01:32 PM
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06-28-2025 | 10:21 PM
#1766
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It’s clear that what we’re doing isn’t working. Frontier pilots have been paid significantly less than our peers for the past three (LET ME CORRECT THAT FOR YOU - 12) years. Delta is already preparing to negotiate their 2026 contract.
As our latest union update stated:
“We are now twenty-three months into bargaining, we have not reached agreement on a single substantive issue, and the company still takes the position that they are unable to TA anything that will result in increased costs.”
As our latest union update stated:
“We are now twenty-three months into bargaining, we have not reached agreement on a single substantive issue, and the company still takes the position that they are unable to TA anything that will result in increased costs.”
We don't need a contract - yet. We need to get a DISCERNABLE statement from Delta NC about what their ask will be next year. Then, stall and wait for them to publish. When their ask goes up, so does ours. And we'll have the ammo to go to the mediator and explain that we've been lapped in cycles.
I'll gladly wait another 2 years (given how long we've already waited) to get THAT much more.
06-29-2025 | 07:37 AM
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[Mod edit] But in lieu of that, is dedication to safety illegal? Just curious. Taxi at a safe speed (AIM guidance). Adherence to airworthiness standards (get all issues into the logbook, if you are not sure, get it into the logbook). Weather avoidance (take plenty of fuel, and deviate with a safe distance and speed). Be properly rested (maybe an extension would lead to a fatigued situation). Fly safe.
Last edited by FangsF15; 06-29-2025 at 12:43 PM. Reason: Remove wildcat call from quote
06-29-2025 | 07:54 AM
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