How long for a contract?
10-20-2023 | 12:34 PM
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“ While the company is engaging to a limited degree in lower-level areas, their willingness to meaningfully bargain over the cornerstone issues important to Frontier pilots has been absent. Based on the company’s lack of commitment to this point, it is hard to see how a contract can be completed in a timely manner.”
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
10-20-2023 | 12:44 PM
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“ While the company is engaging to a limited degree in lower-level areas, their willingness to meaningfully bargain over the cornerstone issues important to Frontier pilots has been absent. Based on the company’s lack of commitment to this point, it is hard to see how a contract can be completed in a timely manner.”
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
I am willing to bet there is definitely some truth in both sides (BLs vids and the negotiating emails). I am sure they want to see what happens over the next 5 months before negotiating anything to do with pay and stuff.
One thing is for sure, no one ever though this would be done in 6 months.
10-20-2023 | 02:30 PM
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10-20-2023 | 02:50 PM
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From: A320 FO
10-20-2023 | 06:01 PM
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“ While the company is engaging to a limited degree in lower-level areas, their willingness to meaningfully bargain over the cornerstone issues important to Frontier pilots has been absent. Based on the company’s lack of commitment to this point, it is hard to see how a contract can be completed in a timely manner.”
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
So, what does this mean exactly? Does it mean don’t expect anything in the new contract? Does it mean don’t expect a new contract? Why so cryptic?
10-20-2023 | 06:10 PM
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It means exactly what they said I don’t see it as cryptic. The company has no intention of getting a deal done until they need it done yesterday. In the meantime they will continue to drag their feet and go after low hanging fruit to make it look like they’re negotiating in good faith. We won’t get a deal done until the training department can’t pump enough people to cover the attrition. I say end of 2024 the company gets more serious if hiring is still going strong at the legacies.
10-20-2023 | 06:48 PM
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See, I dont agree with this. This doesn't work. You won't have enough captains at that point. I also never heard this, so I am curious where it came from. (I heard BL at one point?)
10-20-2023 | 06:58 PM
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I would guess the three year mark is hoping they upgrade by then and have more of a reason to stay. Or perhaps that’s when they feel they’ve gotten their training costs out of them though I would have guessed it was within a year. No facts to back either guess.
10-20-2023 | 09:41 PM
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Every class they run is approximately 70+ numbers of seniority if you look at it from the other point of view.
But then again I don’t read tea leaves.
10-21-2023 | 04:19 AM
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Yeah. Their projected numbers are 26,000 until it’s not. I was supposed to be under 50% seniority company wide by now according to the Koolaid being served when I got hired at F9. Total pilots have been hovering around 2,000 for a year. Very slow growth.
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