How long for a contract?
08-22-2025 | 07:14 AM
#1961
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,942
Likes: 95
From: Lineholder
Bringing an end to the argument. I’ll make up some numbers. Let’s say there’s 2000 grievances. That more than likely represents 7-10 actual language violations with some outliers. There’s 4 basic ways to close these. They legally can’t just disappear without a resolution.
Closed in favor of the union. Pretty self explanatory.
closed in favor of management. Self explanatory as well.
Withdrawn. Different ways this could happen.
part of a settlement agreement. Different ways as well.
Let’s now say there’s a TA and let’s say the language didn’t change. There’s no association group grievance. A remedy will be negotiated for anyone that has a grievance for that violation. Let’s just say that closes 300 grievances and the company pays 200k.
Let’s say there’s an association grievance and the language changes. A settlement agreement is negotiated. This could mean a remedy for everyone and/or management just agrees with our side and we get clarification on that language in the TA. You’ll see that in a TA.
rinse and repeat for the other 7-10 language violations.
Outliers. That’s why is 2 weeks and not 2 days. Let’s say there’s a reassignment that the company argues one example but it doesn’t quite fit the scenario. Same with the union. Similar example but doesn’t quite fit the scenario. The language gets clarified with a definition or another example. Depending on which way that goes will depend on the remedy paid to that grievance but more than likely there’s only 1 or 2 of those.
Closed in favor of the union. Pretty self explanatory.
closed in favor of management. Self explanatory as well.
Withdrawn. Different ways this could happen.
part of a settlement agreement. Different ways as well.
Let’s now say there’s a TA and let’s say the language didn’t change. There’s no association group grievance. A remedy will be negotiated for anyone that has a grievance for that violation. Let’s just say that closes 300 grievances and the company pays 200k.
Let’s say there’s an association grievance and the language changes. A settlement agreement is negotiated. This could mean a remedy for everyone and/or management just agrees with our side and we get clarification on that language in the TA. You’ll see that in a TA.
rinse and repeat for the other 7-10 language violations.
Outliers. That’s why is 2 weeks and not 2 days. Let’s say there’s a reassignment that the company argues one example but it doesn’t quite fit the scenario. Same with the union. Similar example but doesn’t quite fit the scenario. The language gets clarified with a definition or another example. Depending on which way that goes will depend on the remedy paid to that grievance but more than likely there’s only 1 or 2 of those.
Despite that I'm sure it won't be the end...
08-22-2025 | 10:28 AM
#1962
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,748
Likes: 52
There’s a reassignment one. None of the examples are quite what happened. That language will get clarified and/or an example that does capture the scenario will be created. I’m expecting the clarification to go our way and the 2 or 3 disputes get paid accordingly. Anyone that doesn’t file a dispute will get nothing. One example of what happens with outliers.
08-24-2025 | 08:45 AM
#1967
Line holder
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 217
Likes: 11
Acquiring NK would be the singled dumbest decision he could do unless it was a $1 acquisition. The amount of debt that they are carrying to the tune of a couple billion dollars would crush us. Then you could argue even for a $1 that would be stupid. They are burning over a quarter of a million dollars a quarter as well. With a $3 million holdback daily with the CC stuff yeah not a good situation to put ourselves in when we lost $70 million last quarter and have issues to figure out as well.
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
08-24-2025 | 09:25 AM
#1968
Almost there
Joined: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,969
Likes: 109
Acquiring NK would be the singled dumbest decision he could do unless it was a $1 acquisition. The amount of debt that they are carrying to the tune of a couple billion dollars would crush us. Then you could argue even for a $1 that would be stupid. They are burning over a quarter of a million dollars a quarter as well. With a $3 million holdback daily with the CC stuff yeah not a good situation to put ourselves in when we lost $70 million last quarter and have issues to figure out as well.
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
Seniority wouldn’t be a problem for anybody but Spirit pilots. While date of hire may help them relative seniority and career progression would crush their integration. Last I read was most junior captain will be a 2018 hire and most junior on the list will be 2023. Total bummer for that team.
08-24-2025 | 10:40 AM
#1969
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2024
Posts: 425
Likes: 78
Acquiring NK would be the singled dumbest decision he could do unless it was a $1 acquisition. The amount of debt that they are carrying to the tune of a couple billion dollars would crush us. Then you could argue even for a $1 that would be stupid. They are burning over a quarter of a million dollars a quarter as well. With a $3 million holdback daily with the CC stuff yeah not a good situation to put ourselves in when we lost $70 million last quarter and have issues to figure out as well.
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
theyre also the same group of individuals who would agree to a subpar contract just to keep our lights on.
lol okay.
08-24-2025 | 03:25 PM
#1970
Old Hire
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 73
Likes: 13
From: 320 CP
Acquiring NK would be the singled dumbest decision he could do unless it was a $1 acquisition. The amount of debt that they are carrying to the tune of a couple billion dollars would crush us. Then you could argue even for a $1 that would be stupid. They are burning over a quarter of a million dollars a quarter as well. With a $3 million holdback daily with the CC stuff yeah not a good situation to put ourselves in when we lost $70 million last quarter and have issues to figure out as well.
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
I’m not quite sure why guys are hellbent to this thing happening. Sitting here saying oh this would be great… Really? Explain to me how the seniority will go, or how in the world we would pay the debt even if we got it restructured. All while currently trying to get paid with our new proposal. While I feel for my buddies at NK I’m not one to push an acquisition by F9 it makes ZERO sense right now. We can’t hardly get out of our own way to make this place run let’s add some more bull to the mix maybe that’ll fix it. SMH
Edit: and we also wouldn’t be subject to their holdback as a merged entity.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
