PW 1100 GTF Engine Expanded Inspections
12-26-2023, 03:54 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
So is that it then? Last nail in the coffin?
Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
I only have 14yrs left. It's a difficult choice when the wrong path could be devestating for my retirement.
You can wait another year until the F9 ship is listing badly and run to a lifeboat. That's still a good time to bail, but not as good as now.
You can walk over to United and be in the left seat again right off of probation. It took me more than 18 years and I took the first left seat I could get. And yes, I was commuting to reserve for a couple of years. It's not as bad as some make it out to be.
If you're worried about your retirement, you should be gone. Year 2 CA pay is $40 an hour higher than what you're making now. And with this engine issue, do you really think that F9 will see a new contract any time soon? I'll take the under on that one.
12-27-2023, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Warhawker
Wasn't there some developing issue with the FADEC dumping fuel into the engine? I heard from a CA that it's happened 3 times now.
12-27-2023, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Not Ch 7 nail, but not good. Just look at NK. The only thing keeping them together is a merger with B6.
We have similarities but on the engine issue we aren’t really comparable. Before we go all doom and gloom let’s take a step back here for a second.
July 2023- Pratt issues a warning that 200 engines have a defect and will need inspection.
Sept 2023- Article from previous poster shows expanded inspections of 6-700 engines (or aircraft depending on the article you read) up to manufacture date of 2015-mid 2021.
-Both quarterly reports have mentioned possible future problems in F9 current engines but no specifics as of yet. Looks more like this is what led to delivery delays that we have already encountered.
—If anybody has more up to date info or my info is incorrect please add on because I haven’t seen anything else.
Frontier received the first 321Neo 9/30/22 a full year after the previously mentioned date. So already we should be well past the powder metal fiasco. But let’s say we aren’t and all of the sudden it includes engines up to 6 months ago when all the info came out. That’s still only 13 P&W planes in the fleet at that time. We take on another 13 aircraft by June of next year. Fairly easy to offset the inspections if they occur at all.
But since you are talking bankruptcy we can’t forget Pratt is paying out the boote’ for lost revenue from these inspections. So little concern there. I just don’t see this as a nail in the coffin, death spiral, bankruptcy event especially considering it hasn’t happened yet. Just another ebb and flow in aviation. But again, if somebody has more up to date information regarding the engine inspections I’ll be happy to reanalyze my position on the matter.
12-27-2023, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
We have similarities but on the engine issue we aren’t really comparable. Before we go all doom and gloom let’s take a step back here for a second.
July 2023- Pratt issues a warning that 200 engines have a defect and will need inspection.
Sept 2023- Article from previous poster shows expanded inspections of 6-700 engines (or aircraft depending on the article you read) up to manufacture date of 2015-mid 2021.
-Both quarterly reports have mentioned possible future problems in F9 current engines but no specifics as of yet. Looks more like this is what led to delivery delays that we have already encountered.
—If anybody has more up to date info or my info is incorrect please add on because I haven’t seen anything else.
Frontier received the first 321Neo 9/30/22 a full year after the previously mentioned date. So already we should be well past the powder metal fiasco. But let’s say we aren’t and all of the sudden it includes engines up to 6 months ago when all the info came out. That’s still only 13 P&W planes in the fleet at that time. We take on another 13 aircraft by June of next year. Fairly easy to offset the inspections if they occur at all.
But since you are talking bankruptcy we can’t forget Pratt is paying out the boote’ for lost revenue from these inspections. So little concern there. I just don’t see this as a nail in the coffin, death spiral, bankruptcy event especially considering it hasn’t happened yet. Just another ebb and flow in aviation. But again, if somebody has more up to date information regarding the engine inspections I’ll be happy to reanalyze my position on the matter.
July 2023- Pratt issues a warning that 200 engines have a defect and will need inspection.
Sept 2023- Article from previous poster shows expanded inspections of 6-700 engines (or aircraft depending on the article you read) up to manufacture date of 2015-mid 2021.
-Both quarterly reports have mentioned possible future problems in F9 current engines but no specifics as of yet. Looks more like this is what led to delivery delays that we have already encountered.
—If anybody has more up to date info or my info is incorrect please add on because I haven’t seen anything else.
Frontier received the first 321Neo 9/30/22 a full year after the previously mentioned date. So already we should be well past the powder metal fiasco. But let’s say we aren’t and all of the sudden it includes engines up to 6 months ago when all the info came out. That’s still only 13 P&W planes in the fleet at that time. We take on another 13 aircraft by June of next year. Fairly easy to offset the inspections if they occur at all.
But since you are talking bankruptcy we can’t forget Pratt is paying out the boote’ for lost revenue from these inspections. So little concern there. I just don’t see this as a nail in the coffin, death spiral, bankruptcy event especially considering it hasn’t happened yet. Just another ebb and flow in aviation. But again, if somebody has more up to date information regarding the engine inspections I’ll be happy to reanalyze my position on the matter.
12-27-2023, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
I think you just don't see the writing on the wall, this is a death sentence for F9.... How dare you even have the slightest bit of logic or hope. /s
12-27-2023, 04:00 PM
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LOL! This isn't going to age well for you two.
You fail to see the handwriting on the wall.
The legacies are killing off ULCCs with their Basic Economy pricing. And the public now realizes that they don't have to fly a redeye to get similar basic economy pricing.
There won't be a new contract any time soon.
Now you're facing aircraft groundings.
You could ask your old buddies who left F9 for the legacies their opinion, but it'd be admitting that you're wrong to stay there. And you can't be wrong, right? Just grind it out with a management that doesn't care about the operation at substandard pay and working conditions. Brilliant!
F9 is now a quick steppingstone to the legacies. That's it. Not a career destination. Enjoy.
You fail to see the handwriting on the wall.
The legacies are killing off ULCCs with their Basic Economy pricing. And the public now realizes that they don't have to fly a redeye to get similar basic economy pricing.
There won't be a new contract any time soon.
Now you're facing aircraft groundings.
You could ask your old buddies who left F9 for the legacies their opinion, but it'd be admitting that you're wrong to stay there. And you can't be wrong, right? Just grind it out with a management that doesn't care about the operation at substandard pay and working conditions. Brilliant!
F9 is now a quick steppingstone to the legacies. That's it. Not a career destination. Enjoy.
12-27-2023, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
LOL! This isn't going to age well for you two.
You fail to see the handwriting on the wall.
The legacies are killing off ULCCs with their Basic Economy pricing. And the public now realizes that they don't have to fly a redeye to get similar basic economy pricing.
There won't be a new contract any time soon.
Now you're facing aircraft groundings.
You could ask your old buddies who left F9 for the legacies their opinion, but it'd be admitting that you're wrong to stay there. And you can't be wrong, right? Just grind it out with a management that doesn't care about the operation at substandard pay and working conditions. Brilliant!
F9 is now a quick steppingstone to the legacies. That's it. Not a career destination. Enjoy.
You fail to see the handwriting on the wall.
The legacies are killing off ULCCs with their Basic Economy pricing. And the public now realizes that they don't have to fly a redeye to get similar basic economy pricing.
There won't be a new contract any time soon.
Now you're facing aircraft groundings.
You could ask your old buddies who left F9 for the legacies their opinion, but it'd be admitting that you're wrong to stay there. And you can't be wrong, right? Just grind it out with a management that doesn't care about the operation at substandard pay and working conditions. Brilliant!
F9 is now a quick steppingstone to the legacies. That's it. Not a career destination. Enjoy.
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