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spooldup 09-06-2025 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by F9 Driver (Post 3946274)
The goal is to get an actual member(s) of the NMB to take a look at what has been happening during mediated negotiations, and push the parties forward. This is also the first step in moving beyond mediation to proffer of binding arbitration. After the proffer, and assuming that one of the parties refuses, comes the 30 day cooling off period.

This is an ALPA doc that details the steps in Section 6. It doesn't call it a "status conference", but we are at the top of p.4

https://crewroom.alpa.org/alafa/Port...06%20Final.pdf

To add to this... it looks quick, but the part of going to proffer is probably the longest and hardest thing to happen.

hercretired 09-06-2025 02:27 PM

"will be quick"

FedEx has been working on a contract for ???? since 2021. The contract being worked out is from 2015

meanwhile, nobody ships "next day letters" (heard of a PDF file?) or "mailing tubes" with laminated presentations inside them

awesome stuff






Powderkeg 09-06-2025 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3946294)
To add to this... it looks quick, but the part of going to proffer is probably the longest and hardest thing to happen.

Right. I hate to say it but I predict after our status meeting we get put on ice.

Stayontarget 09-06-2025 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3946388)
"will be quick"

FedEx has been working on a contract for ???? since 2021. The contract being worked out is from 2015

meanwhile, nobody ships "next day letters" (heard of a PDF file?) or "mailing tubes" with laminated presentations inside them

awesome stuff

At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.

av8nallday 09-06-2025 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3946405)
At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.


Fedex got greedy…. What was offered wasn’t a bad deal but they got high and mighty because of the Covid era when they were running full speed ahead making money hand over fist. Sucks, but it is what it is. Nothing we can do about our situation but sit back and hold strong. But yeah Franke will probably be dead and good old Barry might not make it given his lack of healthy lifestyle….

Salukipilot4590 09-06-2025 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3946388)
(heard of a PDF file?)

what does Drake have to do with this?

sailingfun 09-16-2025 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by av8nallday (Post 3946416)
Fedex got greedy…. What was offered wasn’t a bad deal but they got high and mighty because of the Covid era when they were running full speed ahead making money hand over fist. Sucks, but it is what it is. Nothing we can do about our situation but sit back and hold strong. But yeah Franke will probably be dead and good old Barry might not make it given his lack of healthy lifestyle….

Fedex is still making good money.

putzin 09-16-2025 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3946405)
At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.

Alaska will have new pay rates by the end of October, maybe that will help you? $400 an hour I hear, I don’t see you getting close but maybe.

Spirits new rates will be out by Oct 1. Company coming after $100 million from the contract but that won’t help your cause. I’m betting spirit rates come back to what you’re making, wata ya think? That would be very convenient for Mr. Frankie.

Hey any word on the “healthy food” option, did you guys come to an agreement yet for that in your new contract? I’m pretty excited about eating catering while I’m flying, good stuff!

dracir1 09-17-2025 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3949777)
Alaska will have new pay rates by the end of October, maybe that will help you? $400 an hour I hear, I don’t see you getting close but maybe.

Spirits new rates will be out by Oct 1. Company coming after $100 million from the contract but that won’t help your cause. I’m betting spirit rates come back to what you’re making, wata ya think? That would be very convenient for Mr. Frankie.

Hey any word on the “healthy food” option, did you guys come to an agreement yet for that in your new contract? I’m pretty excited about eating catering while I’m flying, good stuff!

So...

You're surmising that a company that declared bankruptcy TWICE in the same year offering new rates to their pilots will hurt us? Is NK really a viable comparative business right now?

captnate702 09-17-2025 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3950027)
So...

You're surmising that a company that declared bankruptcy TWICE in the same year offering new rates to their pilots will hurt us? Is NK really a viable comparative business right now?

From what the Allegiant NC is telling people, our mediator is fully believes that Allegiant “peer” airlines are spirit and frontier and Suncountry. We fight like crazy to say we’re different from you all and that we are more like Alaska and Delta in terms of historical margins but it is an uphill battle and tough sell to the mediator.

Spirit going into bankruptcy twice has absolutely hurt us at the negotiating table with the mediators we’ve had - including the current one.


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