Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3935945)

I don't read it that way. I hope I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the 27 rates would be at the posted rate OR MRA. I don’t see any language that states MRA continues in perpetuity on an annual basis.

Originally Posted by BagMan (Post 3935989)

This proposal is exactly what I was worried about. Management has yet to make any serious offerings and our guys are already negotiating with them selves. My hope is that some adjustments can be made. Take a page out of Managements book and shuffle the numbers around with a modest increase over our previous proposed contract rates. At this point if we asked for a once a month ham sandwich as a raise they would still turn us down while whining about not being cost neutral. So there is no reason to forfeit anything. Until they show they are serious about negotiating and make some serious overtures asking for anything less than the Sun the Stars and the Moon is just pigeonholing all of us into concessions when thus far they have offered nothing of value.

Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3935988)

Any updates on disability?

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3935987)

That’s correct. On DOS the rates are established. After that it’s cola. I’ll guess it’s 3% 4% 4%. Other agreements this round had a one time snap up for those that went early. I believe jb got one as well but it was a one and done. No airline is agreeing to potentially large/unkown changing labor cost contracts every year of an agreement.

Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3936002)

I dont see any cola language either. We will get pay rates for 3 years then zero raises (for those of us on year 12 pay) until the next contract. I want to see some sort of snap up in there. I guarantee we are nowhere near $389 for 12yr CA rates at the end of this contract. It would be nice, however I give it zero percent chance of happening.

Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3935917)

Lets give away the house while we're at it. Im seriously angry they already decided to give up on sec 25. To give up the trip trip percentage ask is asinine. The commuters are currently getting shafted. The shafting shall continue thanks to them giving up this ask. For those about to spout off about commuters and are going to say just move to base, that's not a valid argument. I live in base and dont want turns.

While the rates are attractive, #1 Zero chance we are anywhere near those rates when this is signed. #2. MRA had better be adjusted yearly until a new contract is signed. The way the term sheet reads, we get one last raise at year 3 then that's it. MRA/Snap up yearly at a minimum.

These rates are going to be a moot point anyway. All the legacies and WN will have new contracts by the time Barry gets forced to actually negotiate. With an unlimited supply 1500hr wonder pilots, there will be zero hiring issues and the union will never have any leverage during this these contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by covid19 (Post 3936009)

I'd rather we don't give up the trip percentage either. That being said, a majority of the pilots have indicated they prefer 1-2 day trips. The union reps are acting in the interests of the majority on this one.

Originally Posted by BagMan (Post 3935989)

This proposal is exactly what I was worried about. Management has yet to make any serious offerings and our guys are already negotiating with them selves. My hope is that some adjustments can be made. Take a page out of Managements book and shuffle the numbers around with a modest increase over our previous proposed contract rates. At this point if we asked for a once a month ham sandwich as a raise they would still turn us down while whining about not being cost neutral. So there is no reason to forfeit anything. Until they show they are serious about negotiating and make some serious overtures asking for anything less than the Sun the Stars and the Moon is just pigeonholing all of us into concessions when thus far they have offered nothing of value.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3936013)

I certainly understand what you're saying and your concerns.

I think this is going to put pressure on the company to actually negotiate. The NMB is going to expect to see movement from the company towards an agreement. If they don't move towards us after this, it'll go a long said to moving us towards being released.

I think the union is playing this well. We need to achieve a deal as soon as possible. The sooner we can achieve a raise, the better off we'll be financially in the long run.