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Originally Posted by Planedrive (Post 3931431)

No more sunshades?

Without them, cockpit temperatures are likely to become dangerously high, especially during summer operations.

This change will almost certainly lead to increased APU usage and higher fuel costs. Additionally, in the event of an APU MEL, many aircraft may be unable to cool adequately using only ground air, potentially resulting in delays or cancellations.

We operate in a lot of in hot weather bases like LAS, PHX, MCO, and SJU.

apu gonna be workin hard this summer! 85 and above is grounds for no boarding, just sayin

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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666 (Post 3931526)

apu gonna be workin hard this summer! 85 and above is grounds for no boarding, just sayin

We use the APU in those locations anyway, regardless of sunshades, because ground air can’t keep up.

No one is going to refrain from using their Kinder Fluff in flight.

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3931557)

We use the APU in those locations anyway, regardless of sunshades, because ground air can’t keep up.

No one is going to refrain from using their Kinder Fluff in flight.

I do love how all of a sudden sunshades are such a big problem when theyve been in use worldwide for decades.

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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3931446)

The business loses money on every seat mile flown currently. More miles more losses. Yes it would be more revenue but not enough to overcome the loses by operating them.

P&W pays the leases on those planes parked.

Ever notice Spirit is in no rush to get those engines turned around.

Care to share link/proof of P&W paying leases in full?

Small update to our contract negotiations in your email. Check it.

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Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3935911)

Small update to our contract negotiations in your email. Check it.

Yep. It looks pretty in line with that I was thinking we would end up with, not our first counter offer.

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Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3935911)

Small update to our contract negotiations in your email. Check it.

Lets give away the house while we're at it. Im seriously angry they already decided to give up on sec 25. To give up the trip trip percentage ask is asinine. The commuters are currently getting shafted. The shafting shall continue thanks to them giving up this ask. For those about to spout off about commuters and are going to say just move to base, that's not a valid argument. I live in base and dont want turns.

While the rates are attractive, #1 Zero chance we are anywhere near those rates when this is signed. #2. MRA had better be adjusted yearly until a new contract is signed. The way the term sheet reads, we get one last raise at year 3 then that's it. MRA/Snap up yearly at a minimum.

These rates are going to be a moot point anyway. All the legacies and WN will have new contracts by the time Barry gets forced to actually negotiate. With an unlimited supply 1500hr wonder pilots, there will be zero hiring issues and the union will never have any leverage during this these contract negotiations.

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Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3935917)

While the rates are attractive, #1 Zero chance we are anywhere near those rates when this is signed. #2. MRA had better be adjusted yearly until a new contract is signed. The way the term sheet reads, we get one last raise at year 3 then that's it. MRA/Snap up yearly at a minimum.

It is yearly. The "out year" portion in the first page points that out. We get the 27 rates, then it MRAs yearly until a new CBA.

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Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3935920)

It is yearly. The "out year" portion in the first page points that out. We get the 27 rates, then it MRAs yearly until a new CBA.

I don't read it that way. I hope I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the 27 rates would be at the posted rate OR MRA. I don’t see any language that states MRA continues in perpetuity on an annual basis.

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Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3935945)

That’s correct. On DOS the rates are established. After that it’s cola. I’ll guess it’s 3% 4% 4%. Other agreements this round had a one time snap up for those that went early. I believe jb got one as well but it was a one and done. No airline is agreeing to potentially large/unkown changing labor cost contracts every year of an agreement.