I don't know the history of what other airlines have achieved in retro.

All I know is that last time we got a "ratification incentive" instead of "retro"

It was a chunk of money given to ALPA by the company and divided amongst us based on ALPAs plan. It was not based on credit hours flown since the contract became amendable. It was equally distributed by seat and longevity.

Another point worth mentioning about it; it was a good chunk of money ($75 Million I think) but it was needed to satisfy issues from the previous contract and bankruptcy. The company and union had a LOA dating back to bankruptcy that said the company would negotiate pay raises if/when Frontier returned to profitability. Of course they never did that (shocking) and therefore had to sweeten the pot to get us to sign the new contract. I hope that makes sense.

Anyhow, for me, the ratification incentive maybe amounted to 1/3rd of what full retro would have been.

Agreed, there will be cola raises for years 1-11. Year 12 pay will see 3 raises during the duration of a 3 yr contract then no raises until a new contract. That's why i want to see a snap up clause if our peers get new contracts and we find ourselves $100 an hour less than our peers like we are now.

absolutely,

The proposal is a no vote from me. The legacies are opening their negotiations by the time this reaches a TA. All the while tariffs are increasing costs for everyday necessities. If frontier can’t afford to pay us what we are worth which is snap up current and future to the next contract cycle of legacies to be within 5% of the legacies then they need to change their management team. It isn’t our responsibility to be profitable it’s the C suite. They have a huge cost saving advantage and they can’t turn a profit. I’m not voting yes to anything less than what the legacies are making now plus 5-6%. It’s not like management could make a profit with those lower pay rates according to their current advantage or they should be making profit. They aren’t. It’s not our job. But we carry more passengers with cheaper labor all over the place and this company can’t make profit. So pay me til you fold or change management. No more concessions from the group. It does nothing for us. It obviously doesn’t help the business be viable. We may as well be paid for the stuff we have to put up with.

Wait a second. You've been talking non stop on this forum about how Frontier can't afford to give us any raise at all. We are a failing business and failing business model.

Now, your won't accept any raise less than legacies plus?

Crazy.

Also, did you not see that the union is already lowering our ask to less than legacy pay?

of course….the next CBA will be a glitter turd just like the last one 🙄

i don’t care if they can’t afford it. Pay me. Zero discounts on labor. Close shop or change. But pay my what I’m worth.

OK. Happy to hear that.

I don't want the shop to close but I want them to adjust to generate more revenue. And yes, pay me

You can't pay Barry 8 mil, allow him to run this into the ground, and then cry "we can't afford market rate for a major US 321 pilot"

Indigo is not going to change their hedge fund just so you can have the contract you like.

Indigo is private equity, they have controlling and minority stakes in companies. They have “Indigo Advised Funds” on aviation related sectors but they are most definitely not a hedge fund.