Let’s not forget about medical and benefits.
Irregardless of hourly rate, if they don’t step up for ltd, medical, retirement,loss of license, travel, it’s a solid no on my end.

 

I agree, the “who we work for” comment is exactly that. That’s one of the things I’ve point out to many guys before all the new contracts were signed. We were only a few dollars per hour away from Delta and American can’t remember United’s but I’m sure it wasn’t much different. I also feel the same way much less and it’s already a NO from me. There are certain things that have to happen for it to be a yes and that’s just one. No one is talking about our insurance premiums going up a minimum of 12% next year and the companies reasoning behind it. But we have no hard evidence to support the claims they made. Especially when the union puts out an email detailing exactly how much it’s gone up over the past three years. LTD premium going up 31% for captains, what a joke. FOs think that affects them now but when I’ve explained that’s a Captian thing they are like oh I’m not worried about it then. You should be, so do you not want to sit in the left seat one day?

While I agree the company played games last round and magically they made a huge profit we just don’t know what it is going to be this time around. They could decide to change rapidly after we sign a new contract that is far below where it should be to make the difference up. Makes you wonder if they are slow rolling this and showing “losses” to make it seem like well we really can’t afford to do this. It’s anyone’s guess as to what is going on. All I can say is get your affairs in order because it’s shaping up to be a long fight. Everyone forgets how airline pilots used to be paid by the amount of seats they flew, I.e. why wide body pilots got paid an extreme amount. We currently fly a wide body amount of people so yes we have more responsibility and more at risk and that’s not even mentioning the fact of if something goes wrong and you have to make the decision to evacuate the plane you’re now in charge of properly maintaining a safe execution of more people getting off our crammed planes. I don’t know at the end of the day I know what I want and if it’s not a reality it’s a NO and then if it becomes so bad that there’s no end in sight I’m out.

 

It has gone back to that... Everyone else's contract has their 319-321N in separate pay categories for this reason. Right now, a 321N hourly pays the same as their 75 smaller 76 hourly. Oh yeah, we do carry more pax than 90% of their fleet btw.

 

While you’re correct about this, let’s not forget to mention COVID. That screwed a lot of things up and it’s really never been the same for us since then.

 

Someone gets it.

 

my point was they said they can’t afford it and lo and behold they could. You’re buying what they’re selling and you shouldn’t.

also you’re wrong, we made 85M net profit last year

 

And actually a very small profit in 2024 until we took a self imposed valuation allowance hit

 

So you’re saying that in 3 of the last 6 years, the company made meager profits (primarily due to sale leasebacks) on our current contract.

Go ahead and explain how they’re gonna be able to keep the lights on with the new contract offer we put to them. They can barely afford the current one.

 

Remember when the legacies gave massive raises and everybody wondered how they would pay for them? Probably the same way. People, airlines, whatever tend to rise to the occasion.

Why don’t you give us your number? What’s the magic number? Should we take pay cuts to help the team?

What’s going to happen if Barry keeps his promise and gets us back to double digit margins next year (400M) and your number got signed? We were well on our way this year before BAM! What if we are well on our way next year, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SLB transactions are only speeding up for the next 5 years.

 

Bob is not going to do that, it would require to much effort. he just likes to do a flyby every few days to tell us that we are not going to get a decent contract because F9 is not making massive profits.

Your guess about his motivations are as good as mine. Like clock work he comes by every few days makes the same low effort argument. Then we all spend the next few days explaining INDIGO IS MAKING A PROFIT AND BUYING OTHER AIRLINES ,BERRY IS MAKING HIS PREFORMANCE GOALS FOR HIS 8 MILLION. THE OPERATION HAS MASSIVE INEFFECIENTIES WE ARE WAY OVERSTAFFED. THE MONEY IS THERE THE PEOPLE RUNNING INDIGO RATHER PLAY GAMES THEN PAY US.

If we don't get something soon. The NC should rework the numbers with inflation in mind and looking forward. I would also like to see a yearly increase of at least 2% after the contract expires because we know they like to play games.