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05-05-2015, 04:25 AM

#2501

Barley

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Originally Posted by aviatorhi

Two questions:

Read an article about Frontier (interview with management team) which noted the return to profitability and discussed that in some detail, but also went on to say that the management side has begun (and will continue to) return many of the concessions asked of the employee groups over the last few years. So is that actually the case, and what is first year pay actually like?

Along with that, what is the typical schedule of a Frontier pilot? Primarily out and backs or 2/3/4 days trips?

Thanks.

The return on concessions he was referring to (for pilots) are contractual snapbacks. There's no change to year 1 pay ($37.59/hr @ 75 credit guarantee). The other rates all saw around a $2-$4/hr increase. Nothing to go tooting our horns about. Salary/benefits-wise we won't be competitive with our peer groups until a new contract is negotiated. Don't hold you breath for that.

As far as trips we have everything from 1/2/3/4/5 day trips.

05-05-2015, 07:00 AM

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I just got off year one pay. I contributed 5% to my 401k, health insurance for myself only, no deductions for kids, had $60 a month taken out for my pretax parking account (I pay for parking where I commute from) and my checks were $954 and $1281 after taxes for the month give or take a few dollars. That was on reserve flying about 30 hours a month. It was brutal, not going to lie.

05-05-2015, 10:43 AM

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Thanks for the info. That's quite a brutal pay cut for the first year. Second year basically doubles it though?

Two more questions popped to mind. About how long to get off reserve and onto one of those 5-day trip lines? And while relatively unimportant to many I am wondering what the flying culture is like... Basically, does the other guy get nervous if you fly manually?

05-05-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by aviatorhi

3-4 months reserve time right now seems average. However, with planned consistent hiring of 24/month, that may drop. 5 day lines are hard to hold but occasionally a 5 day trip drops into open time. The common problem with 5 days right now is a lot are built with a turn on the front or back of them. For whatever reason, someone usually ends up splitting off the SLC turn and erasing several hours of rig pay. Now that 30 hour 5 day trip is worth 24. Same goes with 4 days that have 30 hour layovers built into them. That's just the ugly nature of our trip splitting part of the contract.

I fly most of the time with automation off. No one really cares as long as you can fly a stable approach and not scare the ever-living-**** out of everyone on board. You'll find a lot of CA fly with the automation at its lowest level.

05-05-2015, 11:47 AM

#2505

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The only time Frontier management will do anything to improve pay, working conditions, safety, QOL, is if it's federally mandated or required by a collective bargaining agreement.

Sorry folks, that's the cold hard truth. They will not spend a dime if they aren't required to.

05-05-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DENpilot

3-4 months reserve time right now seems average. However, with planned consistent hiring of 24/month, that may drop. 5 day lines are hard to hold but occasionally a 5 day trip drops into open time.

Thanks, does that work out to it being possible to (with either 3, 4, or 5 day lines) block all your flying into the first or second half of a month to get blocks of 12-20 days off (more or less)?

05-05-2015, 01:19 PM

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Thanks, does that work out to it being possible to (with either 3, 4, or 5 day lines) block all your flying into the first or second half of a month to get blocks of 12-20 days off (more or less)?

I'd say that it is possible in the month to month transition (week off at end of one month and week off at beginning of next) but unlikely. Trips are hard to trade out of on weekends and at the beginning of the month. So unless you're senior enough to hold that kind of schedule to begin with, that'll be tough.

You're biggest limitation is that you can never go below 70 hours credit for a month. With 117 you will most definitely exceed FDP limits with that kind of blocking.

05-05-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon20

I got a second one as well.

Some people are getting calls after getting those emails.

05-05-2015, 08:55 PM

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New to APC, and I decided to jump in here since my experience may shed light for some of you.
I've been applying to F9 for 1.5 years. Got a phone interview last January (2014), but was in my last semester at college, so was only available in May '14. Never heard back.
Fast forward to last month, and a friend who offered his silver bullet has been trying diligently to help me get on with no luck. I finally went to a job fair a few weeks ago in LAS. Still no interview. Finally, yesterday, I get the TBNT. Bummed and disappointed!
Then, at 3:30pm today I get the interview invite!
Moral of the story is, stick with it long enough and you'll get a crack at it. And go to a job fair. And the TBNT is totally meaningless at this point in time. Don't know how long that will last.
Hope this helps.