Aero1900

There is not a new hire class running this month. Classes running non stop starting again in November, however, I believe that the Nov and Dec classes have already been filled. Anyone interviewing this month will likely be looking at a Jan class.

Should be about 160-180 new hires in 2016.

etflies

November and December have classes of 16 I believe.

LakeshoreFlyer

The recruiter I spoke to in DEN said I probably wouldn't be getting a call b/c I have no TPIC. He said F9 is starting to require it now that they are expecting upgrades to fall to 2 years or less. In so many words, he told me to go get it. I don't know if that's a rouge recruiter, but for those in my boat (no TPIC) I wouldn't expect a call any time soon.

It's mobilized me to quit my current regional FO job with an interminable upgrade and move into a Captain Qualified First Officer position.

Aero1900

Is anyone a paid subscriber of Aviation Week? There is a locked article on Frontier that I'd like to read.

http://m.aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/frontier-s-new-ultra-low-cost-model-working

Can anyone copy and paste the full article?

TallFlyer

Between their choosiness in picking who comes to work for them, AND now (apparently) wanting 1K TPIC, I'm wondering what their hiring is going to be like given A) Legacy hiring, and B) their compensation.

Time will tell.

crflyer

And the supposed training contract starting at the end of the year. Goooood luck getting who they want.

F9 Driver

If we play our cards right, it will give us some leverage in negotiations come March 2016. Until then it's buyer beware. F9 NEEDS pilots and pilots now have options. Frontier Airlines takes delivery of first A321ceo | Airframes content from ATWOnline

I hope the supply / demand curve pushes pilots to the Legacies (I'd be finding my way to AMR right now if I were 30ish), and away from the low paying hopeful Frontier (ever try buying a house with hope?). There was a pilot in the September class who already had a UAL class date when he showed up for training at F9. That's what sub-par pay and high minimums buy in terms of loyalty. That also explains why the talk about training contracts keeps circulating. Our management ALWAYS goes for the stick before the carrot.

Don't come here with the expectation that the pay rates, management / employee relationship or contract will change. Only come here if you are OK with the status quo, because that's what it's gonna be until it's not - and who knows when that'll be.

OpenClimb

Please heed what F9Driver is saying.

He is being more polite than I can manage. Employee relations are pretty much in the toilet. The only reason this place isn't in full meltdown mode is that we have a high percentage of new hire folks who are still in the honeymoon stages of butterflies and rainbows.

We have become the place where people come in spite of the poor working environment because there's a chance of a quick upgrade. The only reason anybody stays long term is that they can't move on for one reason or another. Some just consider themselves too old to start over and some have skeletons that make them less likely to be picked up by a more desirable carrier.

Working alongside (or being) someone who's trapped in the job only enhances the negative experience of being here.

I spoke with one of our union guys recently who told me we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 grievances pending. That's right around 1 grievance for every 3 pilots. The union rep mentioned one of the big legacy carriers and said they have something like 9 grievances pending. 9 grievances for 10,000-ish pilots versus 300 for 950. That's a pretty telling ratio. Fly it and grieve it is a daily chant from the Company and our Chief Pilot's office.

Really folks... Don't make the same mistake I've made and wake up one day to realize it's too late to do anything about it. Have more sense than I did and wait for something better. Really.

Intel33

What do reserve lines look like at F9? I think I heard a short call and a long call? What times do they start and can you get released early on your last day or will you generally get used?

Intel33

What is the crashpad situation in in DEN? Are guys at F9 getting crashpads or using a local hotel at a discount rate?

Are there lines that are commutable on both ends or favor an AM or PM commute and don't need local accommodations for commuters?

What about any RV parking? I remember someone saying there is a Walmart that is commuter Mecca near the airport.