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Old 09-30-2015 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyetops
Getting paid same as 318 with additional 100 seats is nothing to be excited.
Actually less, if you want to factor in TAFB. The 321 has hour turns vs the 40 min turns on other types.
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Old 09-30-2015 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Does the 757.... errr 321 come with any more pay than the 320 or is it just one big happy-go-lucky category?

I actually have no idea, just curious...
In 2006, when the pay rates were negotiated, Frontier's fleet was a bunch of (12?) 318s and the rest were 319s. In late 2006 management announced "conditional orders" for 320s, with delivery several years out, as the only growth on the books. 321s weren't even on the RADAR. We were losing money, so future growth on bigger airplanes was difficult to square with the reality on the ground.

Management had a decent argument for paying less for smaller jets if we wanted to have higher pay for larger planes. Planes that may exist in the future - or not. Since larger equipment was pie-in-the-sky at the time, and we'd take a pay cut for flying aircraft that actually existed at the time, all of the 320 variants were included under the same pay scale.

Hindsight being 20:20 we'd have done things differently if we knew where we have ended up, but that's how the situation we have now came to be.
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Old 09-30-2015 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooter2525
Actually less, if you want to factor in TAFB. The 321 has hour turns vs the 40 min turns on other types.
And 40 pax plus another FA to worry about.
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Old 09-30-2015 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyetops
Getting paid same as 318 with additional 100 seats is nothing to be excited [about].
I'm an airplane nerd, so I am excited. I'd be excited about flying any new plane. Except a TU-154. I wouldn't be excited about that. I like life.
I came here knowing the pay issues, and I accept them. That said, I'll work as hard as anybody to get them fixed over the next few years.
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Old 09-30-2015 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Arty13
I'm an airplane nerd, so I am excited. I'd be excited about flying any new plane. Except a TU-154. I wouldn't be excited about that. I like life.
I came here knowing the pay issues, and I accept them. That said, I'll work as hard as anybody to get them fixed over the next few years.
Wikipedia: Since 1968 there have been 39 fatal incidents involving the Tu-154, most of which were caused either by factors unrelated to the aircraft, or by its extensive use in demanding conditions.

So Arty! Don't blame the airplane.
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Old 09-30-2015 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sulkair
Wikipedia: Since 1968 there have been 39 fatal incidents involving the Tu-154, most of which were caused either by factors unrelated to the aircraft, or by its extensive use in demanding conditions.

So Arty! Don't blame the airplane.
Context matters. If I was flying one, I'd most likely be operating in sub standard regulatory and ATC AO's. Plus I'd be a commie!
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Old 09-30-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Arty13
Context matters. If I was flying one, I'd most likely be operating in sub standard regulatory and ATC AO's. Plus I'd be a commie!
Ok I guess that means we're not getting Tu-154s with slimline seats and a ferocious looking Russian Bear on the tail
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Old 09-30-2015 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sulkair
Ok I guess that means we're not getting Tu-154s with slimline seats and a ferocious looking Russian Bear on the tail
Naw. Just this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-gx0F1CMAE3AQb.jpg
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Old 09-30-2015 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Arty13
Hahaha! I'LL TAKE IT!!!
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Old 09-30-2015 | 09:51 AM
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http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28898012/frontier-launches-5th-most-profitable-airline-u-s

Frontier made 54 million in the last 3 months with an operating profit of 21%.
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