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#3601
#3602
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Joined: Dec 2009
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In 2006, when the pay rates were negotiated, Frontier's fleet was a bunch of (12?) 318s and the rest were 319s. In late 2006 management announced "conditional orders" for 320s, with delivery several years out, as the only growth on the books. 321s weren't even on the RADAR. We were losing money, so future growth on bigger airplanes was difficult to square with the reality on the ground.
Management had a decent argument for paying less for smaller jets if we wanted to have higher pay for larger planes. Planes that may exist in the future - or not. Since larger equipment was pie-in-the-sky at the time, and we'd take a pay cut for flying aircraft that actually existed at the time, all of the 320 variants were included under the same pay scale.
Hindsight being 20:20 we'd have done things differently if we knew where we have ended up, but that's how the situation we have now came to be.
Management had a decent argument for paying less for smaller jets if we wanted to have higher pay for larger planes. Planes that may exist in the future - or not. Since larger equipment was pie-in-the-sky at the time, and we'd take a pay cut for flying aircraft that actually existed at the time, all of the 320 variants were included under the same pay scale.
Hindsight being 20:20 we'd have done things differently if we knew where we have ended up, but that's how the situation we have now came to be.
I'm glad to see that Frontier has seemed to right the ship and figured out a way to survive and prosper as of late. It's a proud industry name from back in the 40's and the Monarch days.
#3603
Appreciate that Jetalc. That individual asked for a site for help, and it's pretty informative written by a Captain who's a good friend of mine. Whether he looks at it or not, we simply post to help individuals.
"Another ignorant post".. I'll back away from that comment. We do the best we can to help individuals do well and answer any questions we can. We've helped many pilots get hired at F9. Our apology if giving a link offended someone.
"Another ignorant post".. I'll back away from that comment. We do the best we can to help individuals do well and answer any questions we can. We've helped many pilots get hired at F9. Our apology if giving a link offended someone.
With you having not been around for any length of time as a company as well as the fairly short amount of time Frontier has been hiring, I don't believe you should take liberties when it comes to how qualified your outfit is when it comes to prepping folks for Frontier. The numbers simply don't add up. No offense was taken, but your ignorance of the culture, training, interviewing ("the job is yours to lose...") and daily life at Frontier is pretty overwhelming. You may excel at other interviews, but Frontier is clearly not your "bag".
#3604
I didn't mean to suggest any "offense" at you trying to help. I would venture to guess that site is well-written. I'm sure the post was done with the best of intentions. It was just a post coming from a prep company claiming to know a lot about Frontier that was simply ignorant. Not offensive, but just ignorant. I don't believe you know squat about Frontier, and claiming that you have helped "many" get hired at Frontier is a subjective term - how "many" exactly? What is the rough percentage of those you have prepped versus those who have been hired? False claims by an outfit claiming to "help" pilots really ****es me off and will continue to be the brunt of disparaging comments by me and others as long as it continues.
With you having not been around for any length of time as a company as well as the fairly short amount of time Frontier has been hiring, I don't believe you should take liberties when it comes to how qualified your outfit is when it comes to prepping folks for Frontier. The numbers simply don't add up. No offense was taken, but your ignorance of the culture, training, interviewing ("the job is yours to lose...") and daily life at Frontier is pretty overwhelming. You may excel at other interviews, but Frontier is clearly not your "bag".
With you having not been around for any length of time as a company as well as the fairly short amount of time Frontier has been hiring, I don't believe you should take liberties when it comes to how qualified your outfit is when it comes to prepping folks for Frontier. The numbers simply don't add up. No offense was taken, but your ignorance of the culture, training, interviewing ("the job is yours to lose...") and daily life at Frontier is pretty overwhelming. You may excel at other interviews, but Frontier is clearly not your "bag".
Was simply giving that individual a link to review Airbus basics, if he chooses to look. F9 has a great training program, I apologize then for posting that link. It wasn't any bad intention, I just thought it would help since the website has some good info in it.
#3605
Those are your words…
Was simply giving that individual a link to review Airbus basics, if he chooses to look. F9 has a great training program, I apologize then for posting that link. It wasn't any bad intention, I just thought it would help since the website has some good info in it.
Was simply giving that individual a link to review Airbus basics, if he chooses to look. F9 has a great training program, I apologize then for posting that link. It wasn't any bad intention, I just thought it would help since the website has some good info in it.
#3607
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
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Welcome to Frontier!
As for a guide...sure you can look that site that over, but ONLY if you promise to not to commit any of it to memory! If you are simply trying to get an overview of the Airbus...that's fine. But like many have said, our training will teach you what you need to know.
Here are a few big tickets items to know: (Yes, sarcasm is intended)
Engines - Big
Luggage storage in cockpit - lots
Speed - fast enough (you get paid by the minute)
Weight - placarded
tires - 6 total
Pilots - 2 of us up there
FA's - Sometimes 3 or 4 and soon to come 5
Jumpseats in cockpit - 2 (good to know if you're a commuter)
I'm sure I'm missing a few items.
Good luck
#3608
New Hire
Joined: Jan 2010
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This is a tough crowd I never said I wanted Airbus material to memorize word for word so I knew everything before training. I just asked for some good info on the Airbus, that's all. Nothing more. Try and chill out a little. And I didn't ask for anybody's opinion on what to study so I don't know why everybody is getting all bent out of shape over it.
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#3609
I don't fly the Airbus so I'm not hip on the differences, but how much difference is there between a 320 and a 330? Would that be the same rate as well?
I'm glad to see that Frontier has seemed to right the ship and figured out a way to survive and prosper as of late. It's a proud industry name from back in the 40's and the Monarch days.
I'm glad to see that Frontier has seemed to right the ship and figured out a way to survive and prosper as of late. It's a proud industry name from back in the 40's and the Monarch days.
#3610
Welcome to Frontier!
As for a guide...sure you can look that site that over, but ONLY if you promise to not to commit any of it to memory! If you are simply trying to get an overview of the Airbus...that's fine. But like many have said, our training will teach you what you need to know.
Here are a few big tickets items to know: (Yes, sarcasm is intended)
Engines - Big
Luggage storage in cockpit - lots
Speed - fast enough (you get paid by the minute)
Weight - placarded
tires - 6 total
Pilots - 2 of us up there
FA's - Sometimes 3 or 4 and soon to come 5
Jumpseats in cockpit - 2 (good to know if you're a commuter)
I'm sure I'm missing a few items.
Good luck
As for a guide...sure you can look that site that over, but ONLY if you promise to not to commit any of it to memory! If you are simply trying to get an overview of the Airbus...that's fine. But like many have said, our training will teach you what you need to know.
Here are a few big tickets items to know: (Yes, sarcasm is intended)
Engines - Big
Luggage storage in cockpit - lots
Speed - fast enough (you get paid by the minute)
Weight - placarded
tires - 6 total
Pilots - 2 of us up there
FA's - Sometimes 3 or 4 and soon to come 5
Jumpseats in cockpit - 2 (good to know if you're a commuter)
I'm sure I'm missing a few items.
Good luck
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