I think the best thing you can do for yourself, your family, and fellow crewmembers is to fill out applications and do your best to move on. I know not everyone is in a position to do this and completely understand that; however, for those that can the most effective way to improve your earning potential and happiness in the workplace is to reject continued employment under this silliness.

We are in a good economy. The company is reporting record profit margins. They're admitting that contract negotiations will be dragged on for years, building deterrents to basic healthcare benefits, asking new-hires to sign a $24,000 training contract, and making daily CBA violations. How do you think this will look in a bad economy? I hope I don't have to find out. I don't see this turning around. The only people that win here are the senior managers that cash-out after a liquidity event.

 

This, 100%

 

Barley, respectfully, I think this is an oversimplification. I'm not going to be a company cheerleader here, I'm disillusioned just like many other new-hires. But I also refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Which is exactly what can happen if you attempt to solve the problem by simply going someplace else.

Nobody has any idea what things will look like in 20 years. You can project that you'll be much better off at one of the Big 3, or WN, or anywhere else for that matter. Yeah only until they adopt the Indigo playbook too, or worse you're furloughed for 8 years and find yourself right back here. It has, and can happen again, I don't care how drastic people say the pilot shortage is, or how great the economy is. Yawn! These things turn on a dime!

For me personally my life is so much more than where I punch the clock. I'm never going to trust Frontier, or United, or any corporation to take care of me because it is foolish to do so. Does this thinking play into their hand? Maybe, but they already hold the winning hand - always have - as does every company and you know it. Does this mean I won't fight tooth and nail to preserve and make better what we have. No, of course not, I'm ethically bound to do so out of pure self preservation, and you can always count on me in this regard, I promise. But people have choices, either stay or go. Neither is right or wrong, they are neutral, and they balance on a very personal / subjective fulcrum. Hopefully they are not made with shortsighted emotion.

PS, I still haven't made my choice

 

How much do people really save on premiums (for an individual, let's say) if they do the wellness requirements?

 

$300 a year. It's not uncommon for health care plans to require this for a discount. My last employer started 2 years ago. Health care plans have learned it is cheaper for them to prevent than to treat.

What is the issue even if the company found out about your labs? Do you think it will give them reason to fire you because of hyperlipidemia? Or is it that they would insert a transmitter with the blood draw to alter your thoughts about Indigo?

I'm going to get it done, cause it's free and it will save money. If you feel better paying for a lipid profile out of pocket... that's your choice. Insurance costs go up every year at higher rate than inflation and considering the fact that they are lowering our deductibles and increasing dental coverage, our premiums are going to be worse.

 

Sounds like you're giving me some tude when all I asked is how much people save. Thanks for the answer in your first sentence.

 

I took some liberty with your quote, and the answer is definitely "C" boss.

 

Not directed at you... a few pages back there was a reference about refusing to share health results. We can be a paranoid bunch in this profession.

We do have issues here at F9 but it doesn't matter if you are a new hire or a long timer... let's work together at fixing them.

I like it Sulkair... will call Saul GoodMan to take the case!

 

In a multi million dollar career, NOT handling all health related matters with very careful wisdom can land your butt in the unemployment line and out of the cockpit for life. I don't think a little paranoia is out of order.

 

I had healthcare career before aviation and wouldn't hesitate a second to submit these results to a healthcare provider for a premium incentive. I know my baseline and every pilot should. If a pilots health is so unwell that you need to worry about an employer dismissing you after illegally obtaining your lipid results then good luck with your next medical. It's not a syphilis result on your SIDA badge. If your uncomfortable with it then enjoy your non fasting morning and we will agree to disagree.

Sooooo Frontier is hiring?