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Old 01-09-2017 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Kind of makes a few tarmac delays seems inconsequential, doesn't it?
Yes, I would certainly think so. Shareholders (or future shareholders) don't give a damn about a few days of negative press. They care about numbers. PERIOD!!!
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Old 01-09-2017 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser
To my knowledge all of "our" aircraft and future aircraft orders are leased-back after being sold to GE Capital.

The only valuable real estate F9 had was in Denver, and our management volunteered to cut the number of gates in half; at the same time every newspaper was claiming Denver as the fastest growing city in the U.S. There is no long-term vision for this company, it exists solely for short-term profits.
From our lease data and what I understand, we own 6 aircraft as of 12/21/2016 (10 percent of the fleet). It shows N/A under the lease date/return dates and shows the aircraft owner as Frontier Airlines for the following planes.
N201FR
N202FR
N910FR
N941FR
N943FR
N949FR
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Old 01-09-2017 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser
I haven't seen anything remotely official to confirm he's been fired. And I've been looking around.
"resigns"

Frontier's COO Bill Meehan, previously in charge of flight operations, resigns - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com
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Old 01-09-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wt932051
From our lease data and what I understand, we own 6 aircraft as of 12/21/2016 (10 percent of the fleet). It shows N/A under the lease date/return dates and shows the aircraft owner as Frontier Airlines for the following planes.
N201FR
N202FR
N910FR
N941FR
N943FR
N949FR
Ok, so 57/63 aircraft in our fleet are lease-backs. We have six wholly owned hangar queens. The original question on ownership was in reference to Frontier's valuation for an IPO. Frontier owns the oldest 9% of the current fleet, I'm not sure that adds a great deal to the valuation.
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Old 01-09-2017 | 11:55 AM
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Airbus are pointless to own. They build these things with term limits. They're not Boeings that have the potential to take on a whole other life when a pax carrier is done with them. Airbus' head to the scrap yard.
What's attractive is up front incentives negotiated/offered by Airbus to take deliveries, then attractive lease terms with a solid order book. The lease payments are just a cost of doing business.

The delivery schedule and fleet count numbers by years end including givebacks is 72 birds. 8.5 to 9 pilots per bird.
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Old 01-09-2017 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser
The only valuable real estate F9 had was in Denver, and our management volunteered to cut the number of gates in half; at the same time every newspaper was claiming Denver as the fastest growing city in the U.S. There is no long-term vision for this company, it exists solely for short-term profits.
Who needs gate space? Frontier has a new plan for snow events or tarmac delay! Taxi the airplane under the A-bridge and unload passengers using stairs onto the icy ramp! Genius!

How they ever got this approved is beyond me. Maybe that's just the first half of the plan. Now if they can get the city to approve the reverse process for boarding passengers, we can have 'drive through' service and won't need any gates!!
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Old 01-09-2017 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Airbus are pointless to own. They build these things with term limits. They're not Boeings that have the potential to take on a whole other life when a pax carrier is done with them. Airbus' head to the scrap yard.
What's attractive is up front incentives negotiated/offered by Airbus to take deliveries, then attractive lease terms with a solid order book. The lease payments are just a cost of doing business.

The delivery schedule and fleet count numbers by years end including givebacks is 72 birds. 8.5 to 9 pilots per bird.
Did you mean 8.5 to 9 CREWS per aircraft?
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Old 01-09-2017 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by coldwhiskey
we can have 'drive through' service and won't need any gates!!
lmao!!!!
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Old 01-09-2017 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by azcz10
Did you mean 8.5 to 9 CREWS per aircraft?
Hell no. Get ready to work your ass off.
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Old 01-09-2017 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
Who needs gate space? Frontier has a new plan for snow events or tarmac delay! Taxi the airplane under the A-bridge and unload passengers using stairs onto the icy ramp! Genius!

How they ever got this approved is beyond me. Maybe that's just the first half of the plan. Now if they can get the city to approve the reverse process for boarding passengers, we can have 'drive through' service and won't need any gates!!
Yeah, when I read that email I actually started laughing.

But hey, if that's what they want to do, paint a taxi line and stage a ground crew and let's watch the clown show commence...
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