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08-27-2017, 01:36 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
That is the most accurate part of your statement.
A possibility you perhaps didn't consider and I'll admit is pure speculation on my part is that maybe Delta is trying to eliminate the competition. Endeavor is still one of the few regionals that has not had to renegotiate its pay rates, meaning that once you subtract out the bonuses Endeavor is one of the cheapest regionals available right now.
If Delta were to close down ASA/Expressjet, GoJet, Compass..etc then the (currently reduced) amount of pilots would have fewer companies competing for their skills and Delta wouldn't have to pay as big of a bonus to attract attention.
Then when the next economic downturn hits, Delta can drop all the bonuses and Endeavor is right back to its bare bones post bankruptcy contract and the pilots on property have no choice but too accept it, because there is nowhere else to go. Especially true if Delta then announces the DGI program is the only way for a civilian pilot to get hired at delta. Sounds like end to end control to me
Anyone who thinks the regional model is dead hasn't watched enough horror movies.
As I said, pure speculation and I hope I'm wrong, I still have a lot of friends at endeavor.
A possibility you perhaps didn't consider and I'll admit is pure speculation on my part is that maybe Delta is trying to eliminate the competition. Endeavor is still one of the few regionals that has not had to renegotiate its pay rates, meaning that once you subtract out the bonuses Endeavor is one of the cheapest regionals available right now.
If Delta were to close down ASA/Expressjet, GoJet, Compass..etc then the (currently reduced) amount of pilots would have fewer companies competing for their skills and Delta wouldn't have to pay as big of a bonus to attract attention.
Then when the next economic downturn hits, Delta can drop all the bonuses and Endeavor is right back to its bare bones post bankruptcy contract and the pilots on property have no choice but too accept it, because there is nowhere else to go. Especially true if Delta then announces the DGI program is the only way for a civilian pilot to get hired at delta. Sounds like end to end control to me
Anyone who thinks the regional model is dead hasn't watched enough horror movies.
As I said, pure speculation and I hope I'm wrong, I still have a lot of friends at endeavor.
Just so you know, none of what I said is speculation. Bonuses are currently being rolled (negotiated) into the hourly rate at Endeavor. Even if there is a economic downturn retirements still require a significant amount of pilots. The model failed because it turned away several generations of pilots causing the pilot pool to shrink.
08-27-2017, 06:45 PM
#42
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Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
08-27-2017, 07:26 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by airscout
Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
As part of the deal of Expressjet/ASA winding down their flying, they are repainting 8 planes in AA colors and 22 in UA colors. United is scoped out so another regional, or combination of regionals, is losing 70 seat aircraft. Currently, only SkyWest, Mesa, Republic, and GoJet fly 70 seat aircraft for UA.
08-27-2017, 10:50 PM
#44
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Gojet is losing the Delta flying.
Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?
If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.
Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?
If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.
08-28-2017, 07:32 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by airscout
Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.
08-30-2017, 10:00 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev
Gojet is losing the Delta flying.
Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?
If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.
Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?
If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.
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08-31-2017, 09:00 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by gojo
The majors are consolidating resources and reducing competition to take care of their shareholders. And historically the airlines operate reactively verses proactively. About the only thing I agree with your thinking is that this is all conjecture. Me having a more optimistic view. We shall see. Hopefully this country will not have an economic downturn or another catastrophic event ever again
That last sentence seems totally realistic....
NOT!!!!!!!!!
09-04-2017, 03:41 PM
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#47
"Britany757's Avatar Britany757 , 08-31-2017 08:21 PM
checkride failure
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview."
I recently interviewed and was told that my having only one checkride failure was better than the usual applicant.
So, it would appear they are used to seeing multiple checkride failures (particularly with CFIs - not 121 failures) and it doesn't seem to hold someone back if there are no other red flags that are raised. I received a CJO for FO and have accepted it!
"Britany757's Avatar Britany757 , 08-31-2017 08:21 PM
checkride failure
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview."
I recently interviewed and was told that my having only one checkride failure was better than the usual applicant.
So, it would appear they are used to seeing multiple checkride failures (particularly with CFIs - not 121 failures) and it doesn't seem to hold someone back if there are no other red flags that are raised. I received a CJO for FO and have accepted it!
09-11-2017, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Britany757
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview.
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