Taking off with frosty wings
03-29-2019, 07:39 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by popcopy
Sorry, but I won't throw the crew under the bus. I flew the CRJs at a previous company, Ice/frost ON TOP of the wing was never permitted. But, I'm also not a holder of a GoJet Flight Ops Manual. Without knowing the EXACT rules a company operates under, it would not be prudent for me to *ring* the FA call button and express my concern. Had this happened at my current company, I would not have hesitated to alert the crew and save the Pilots' certificates.
But, GoJet does GoJet things. I didn't have a clue what their policy is regarding ice. So I kept my mouth shut, trusted the PIC's judgement and saved my concern for this anonymous forum.
Thanks for the replies. In future winter seasons if I witness a GoJet crew skip the deice pad with ice/frost on the top of the wing I will raise my concerns immediately with the crew to the point of leaving my seat and knocking on the flight deck door during taxi.
But, GoJet does GoJet things. I didn't have a clue what their policy is regarding ice. So I kept my mouth shut, trusted the PIC's judgement and saved my concern for this anonymous forum.
Thanks for the replies. In future winter seasons if I witness a GoJet crew skip the deice pad with ice/frost on the top of the wing I will raise my concerns immediately with the crew to the point of leaving my seat and knocking on the flight deck door during taxi.
Be sure to scream “alluah akbar.” Pretty sure it means “your wings are iced up.” Code language so the passengers remain calm.
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03-29-2019, 08:50 PM
#42
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These stories always smell a bit foul. What incentive does the crew have to take off without deicing?
"Hey, do you want to get paid 15 minutes extra, or should we just launch and see what happens?"
"I don't need any extra cash, let's fly".
Said no-one, ever.
"Hey, do you want to get paid 15 minutes extra, or should we just launch and see what happens?"
"I don't need any extra cash, let's fly".
Said no-one, ever.
03-30-2019, 09:04 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Strenyakov
Here we go again, a passenger complains, someone makes any accusation (true or false does not matter) and someone is fired. How about not firing someone for once so that Gojet can have an experience level of Captains that exceeds 2 years?
If Gojet wants to become a decent airline, they need to stop firing everyone who takes FMLA, Military Leave, or who makes a mistake.
Message to Frosty, deice next time or you will get in trouble! Good luck at the new airline you will be at next week.
If Gojet wants to become a decent airline, they need to stop firing everyone who takes FMLA, Military Leave, or who makes a mistake.
Message to Frosty, deice next time or you will get in trouble! Good luck at the new airline you will be at next week.
03-30-2019, 09:06 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by dera
These stories always smell a bit foul. What incentive does the crew have to take off without deicing?
"Hey, do you want to get paid 15 minutes extra, or should we just launch and see what happens?"
"I don't need any extra cash, let's fly".
Said no-one, ever.
"Hey, do you want to get paid 15 minutes extra, or should we just launch and see what happens?"
"I don't need any extra cash, let's fly".
Said no-one, ever.
03-30-2019, 10:00 AM
#46
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A few years ago, Air Whisky CRJ-200, first flight of the day on a crisp spring morning at ORD. We boarded from the ramp and I was sitting in a window seat towards the back. I was in civvies and clearly saw the frosty wing when I boarded. Once inside the door I poked my head into the flight deck and said “got some frost on the wing”. The FO replied, “no worries, it’ll burn off on taxi”.
It didn’t and I was suffering from 3rd degree PF until we were established on climbout.
It didn’t and I was suffering from 3rd degree PF until we were established on climbout.
03-30-2019, 06:27 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by Leakytanks
A few years ago, Air Whisky CRJ-200, first flight of the day on a crisp spring morning at ORD. We boarded from the ramp and I was sitting in a window seat towards the back. I was in civvies and clearly saw the frosty wing when I boarded. Once inside the door I poked my head into the flight deck and said “got some frost on the wing”. The FO replied, “no worries, it’ll burn off on taxi”.
It didn’t and I was suffering from 3rd degree PF until we were established on climbout.
It didn’t and I was suffering from 3rd degree PF until we were established on climbout.
03-31-2019, 04:56 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Leakytanks
Good catch, my bad - went back to the logs. United Express - Sky West. ORD -MKE.
03-31-2019, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Still baffling why they insist on doing it. I guess if you get away with it enough times ....
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