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03-24-2019, 02:18 PM

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jacburn

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

It may be common but it means something is wrong in the fuel tank vent system. The wing fuel gets heated and expands and forces its way past the fuel cap if the vent system has a clog. If you have a brand new cap that seals well the pressure has to go somewhere and might rupture a fuel line component. If a mechanic says it’s common don’t worry about it ask him to put it on MEL. He can’t and won’t.

Nope. It is a known emb issue and it is not the cap. Emb engineers stated that the baffles and float needed to be replaced on the next checks and the leak was far enough out that it would not cause an issue with the engines.

https://youtu.be/bXgBPOxT9kA

I will add that it looks like a large amount of fuel, but it’s not enough to notice on the gauges.

03-24-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

do NOT do this

... Says frosty the captain lol

03-25-2019, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by popcopy

Leaving DTW this morning I was a passenger on a GoJet flight. Musta been the first flight for the jet because the wings were frosty. After pushback, I was dumbstruck when the crew skipped the deice pad and went ahead and blasted off. Is there guidance in your FOM that allows a departure with a certain amount of frost on the top of the wings?

No only no, but heck no. There have been known issues (like fatal crashes), with CL-65 class airplanes taking off with frost. Anyone who does so is an idiot and deserves whatever punishment they get. I don’t care what airline.

03-25-2019, 03:41 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Eastern_Airlines_Flight_5210

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2006-09-20/ice-accumulation-blamed-montrose-challenger-crash

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20071226-0

Several others I believe.

03-25-2019, 04:28 PM

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Now there’s video. He’s screwed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIU94dg1ek

03-25-2019, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MySaabStory

Now there’s video. He’s screwed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIU94dg1ek

That’s Russia. I’ve flown with Russian pilots on Russian aircraft. They do things... “differently”. There’s a reason their domestic accident rate sucks.
And that’s the thing with icing. What you can get away with today kills you tomorrow.

03-25-2019, 05:03 PM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by jacburn

So they MEL the fuel leak correct?

03-26-2019, 03:47 AM

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So how many of you would unbuckle and run forward with a locked cockpit door and a FA who doesn’t know you’re a pilot.
Lemme know how that works out for you.

03-26-2019, 05:55 AM

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jacburn

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

So they MEL the fuel leak correct?

Mel was not required.

03-29-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bcpilot

Can you pls PM me the date and the flight number if you remember it..??

Sorry, but I won't throw the crew under the bus. I flew the CRJs at a previous company, Ice/frost ON TOP of the wing was never permitted. But, I'm also not a holder of a GoJet Flight Ops Manual. Without knowing the EXACT rules a company operates under, it would not be prudent for me to *ring* the FA call button and express my concern. Had this happened at my current company, I would not have hesitated to alert the crew and save the Pilots' certificates.

But, GoJet does GoJet things. I didn't have a clue what their policy is regarding ice. So I kept my mouth shut, trusted the PIC's judgement and saved my concern for this anonymous forum.

Thanks for the replies. In future winter seasons if I witness a GoJet crew skip the deice pad with ice/frost on the top of the wing I will raise my concerns immediately with the crew to the point of leaving my seat and knocking on the flight deck door during taxi.