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captive apple 05-06-2021 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by memphisflyer (Post 3231569)
I am a CFI with a CJO at GoJet. Does anyone happen to know the negotiation status with management on new pay rates? Will negotiations be dragged out or is it likely new pay rates will be seen later this year or next?

They recently missed payments and then sold their aircraft to keep the lights on. They have a pile of resumes.

ninerdriver 05-06-2021 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by memphisflyer (Post 3231569)
I am a CFI with a CJO at GoJet. Does anyone happen to know the negotiation status with management on new pay rates? Will negotiations be dragged out or is it likely new pay rates will be seen later this year or next?

Read the Compass forums, replace "Compass" with "GoJet", and good luck.

TransWorld 05-06-2021 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3231589)
They recently missed payments and then sold their aircraft to keep the lights on. They have a pile of resumes.

Two down and one to go, it sounds like.

x45polaris 05-06-2021 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by memphisflyer (Post 3231569)
I am a CFI with a CJO at GoJet. Does anyone happen to know the negotiation status with management on new pay rates? Will negotiations be dragged out or is it likely new pay rates will be seen later this year or next?

new contract with some sort pay raise will be had by end of year... it can’t be dragged out.

memphisflyer 05-07-2021 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by x45polaris (Post 3231917)
new contract with some sort pay raise will be had by end of year... it can’t be dragged out.

Okay, Thanks for answering!

RabidW0mbat 05-09-2021 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by memphisflyer (Post 3232087)
Okay, Thanks for answering!

selective bias is a real thing...

StlLifer 05-09-2021 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by x45polaris (Post 3231917)
new contract with some sort pay raise will be had by end of year... it can’t be dragged out.

Why can't it be dragged out? People don't leave airlines and start over, generally speaking. Why won't GJ just go back to offering 56k bonuses to pilots to come there? Why pay everyone with a new increased pay scale when they can just "offer" the bonus to the new recruits? Heck, when you consider the high % of those that never get the bonus, the actual paid bonus would be what, maybe 20k per recruit?

Very rarely do airlines complete a new contract in a timely manner, not just GJ. But the 2007 GJ Contract ended in 2012 and was not renewed for 4 years, 2016. Why not just use the bonuses for as long as they can?

x45polaris 05-10-2021 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by StlLifer (Post 3232766)
Why can't it be dragged out? People don't leave airlines and start over, generally speaking. Why won't GJ just go back to offering 56k bonuses to pilots to come there? Why pay everyone with a new increased pay scale when they can just "offer" the bonus to the new recruits? Heck, when you consider the high % of those that never get the bonus, the actual paid bonus would be what, maybe 20k per recruit?

Very rarely do airlines complete a new contract in a timely manner, not just GJ. But the 2007 GJ Contract ended in 2012 and was not renewed for 4 years, 2016. Why not just use the bonuses for as long as they can?

they have a baseball arbitration clause, when it goes to arbitration that’s it it’s done...

Excargodog 05-10-2021 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by x45polaris (Post 3232971)
they have a baseball arbitration clause, when it goes to arbitration that’s it it’s done...

You wish. Even their binding court cases get dragged out interminably. See this thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/g...la-appeal.html

An excerpt:


This dispute first arose when Cloutier filed a grievance as- serting FMLA violations pursuant to the “Collective Bargain- ing Agreement” between GoJet and his union. The parties bat- tled in arbitration to no avail. Then turning to the courts, Cloutier initiated this complex lawsuit, suing GoJet for viola- tions of the FMLA and the Americans with Disabilities Act (“ADA”), 42 U.S.C. § 12101 et seq. The jury reached a verdict in Cloutier’s favor, finding GoJet had interfered with his FMLA rights and retaliated against him for exercising his FMLA rights. The district court then granted him back pay, liquidated damages, and front pay.
Their lawyers are going to be better and more numerous than your lawyers. And they will demand to arbitrate the terms of the arbitration - then demand to arbitrate that. If they aren’t going to follow FEDERAL LAW what makes you think they are going to honor a civil contract?

prt135 05-16-2021 08:33 AM

For the time spent in St Louis for training is it worth having your car or is the hotel in walking distance to restaurants, groceries etc?


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