GoJet pilot at SKW
07-30-2007, 09:10 AM
#61
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What is interesting to me is that the people that are wanting to shun/blacklist those at GOJET have at one time in their career took a job with a company that has underbidded other airlines and worked for less etc. Example: any of the regional airlines could be put in this category, and most start up airlines dont have a union when they get going. I believe they got a union not to long after. The regionals are always underbidding eachother and some of the pilots at the majors feel the same way by the regionals. And any other business out there that has a product that is in competition with other companies.
I do believe the company was wrong for what they did at GoJets but every other regional management out there given the chance would do the same.
I believe its unprofessional and unethical to ban a pilot for working for that company when you your self have done the same thing at one point in time at another job in some form or fashion.
If they are CASS they are welcome on my jumpseat any time, because its the right thing to do, and I do not bring politics in the cockpit.
I do believe the company was wrong for what they did at GoJets but every other regional management out there given the chance would do the same.
I believe its unprofessional and unethical to ban a pilot for working for that company when you your self have done the same thing at one point in time at another job in some form or fashion.
If they are CASS they are welcome on my jumpseat any time, because its the right thing to do, and I do not bring politics in the cockpit.
07-30-2007, 09:14 AM
#62
The NeverEnding Story
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Originally Posted by legend
If they are CASS they are welcome on my jumpseat any time, because its the right thing to do, and I do not bring politics in the cockpit.
07-30-2007, 10:14 AM
#63
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First of all I wouldnt know if they were or not, I dont keep up with that kind of stuff, but If I knew I would still let them on my jump seat. It is not professional for me to impose my personal beliefs in the cockpit no different than talking about religion or politics etc.. If they are CASS then they are good to go unless they give me a reason otherwise while they are at the gate. Forgiveness is good for the soul...
07-30-2007, 10:15 AM
#64
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Originally Posted by flynavyj
that's the difference in the university system vs freelance...another note, have friends who are freelance making 35/hr, but they have only a few students. Of course, freelance CFI'ing is based highly on your ability to "sell" yourself, university programs weren't geared that way, and when the state is paying you, you're lucky to get more than minimum wage. As i come to think of it, people who needed money typically would either go to a private company and work, they'd start you in the 15-20 hr range, might be a little higher at other places around here, but not by much, the difference was how many students you'd get, so you could move on from the CFI job to the airlines or corporate. I remember that SLU looked like a great CFI opportunity, they put you on salary @ 25,000 year, which seamed very slick, and you'd get your influx of students...but eh, it is what it is.
Not true. Sometimes you just have to make your own bed then sleep in it. I was offered several jobs by 141 schools and part 61 FBOs. Then I heard about the air force training in Pueblo Co. I gave them a call and said I'd put some numbers together and would train them at their own base. It would save them money and keep their students in the atmosphere more. They said sure and next thing you know I'm neck deep in students doing 5-6 flights a day 6 days a week. I could have cleared $60k if I had billed the way the air force wanted but they didn't clue me in till 7 months later. Apparently if they don't spend all the money they budgeted for training it gets cut out of their funding. I charged $25 an hour for flight and ground. Then I'd randomly charge 17hrs of pre/post instruction just because they said I wasn't billing enough. I was making $1500 a week all the time.
You'll get burned out though. 1300hrs in a year of being a CFI and six figures wouldn't make me stay. Look up Pueblo colorado. I was one of the only people in the country still doing it when I left. They pay $24.75/hr, give you all the students you could ever want, and benifits too. It's a good CFI job.
07-30-2007, 10:18 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by legend
First of all I wouldnt know if they were or not, I dont keep up with that kind of stuff, but If I knew I would still let them on my jump seat. It is not professional for me to impose my personal beliefs in the cockpit no different than talking about religion or politics etc.. If they are CASS then they are good to go unless they give me a reason otherwise while they are at the gate. Forgiveness is good for the soul...
07-30-2007, 11:04 AM
#66
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Position: Pilot sleeping.
Posts: 615
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions yet. The other day a guy jumped on and went to the back in JFK without telling us. We were weight limited and had to remove some bags. We never knew he was there. That really got on my bad side. He was a GoJetter. I didn't say anything to him as it wasn't my place but the captain just looked at me and said, "No f'ing way that just happened". I don't know what I'd do as I'm not in that position yet but I've led a good enough life where my soul doesn't need to rely on forgiveness just yet. That's God's job.
07-30-2007, 11:14 AM
#67
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Position: RC-3 Seabee. Skipper of the A21 cutter.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions yet. The other day a guy jumped on and went to the back in JFK without telling us. We were weight limited and had to remove some bags. We never knew he was there. That really got on my bad side. He was a GoJetter. I didn't say anything to him as it wasn't my place but the captain just looked at me and said, "No f'ing way that just happened". I don't know what I'd do as I'm not in that position yet but I've led a good enough life where my soul doesn't need to rely on forgiveness just yet. That's God's job.
But someone on here said "Forgiveness is good for the soul." I'm not much of a religious chap but I agree with that. It feels good to forgive, forget and move on. No added weight on the fragile brain.
07-30-2007, 12:17 PM
#68
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Position: B-737 First officer
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Maybe you should also ask yourself if it would hurt OTHER people if you went to work at these airlines...
GoJets: Will hurt other people, and might very well hurt you if you run into an ex-regional guy at an important job interview ten years down the road. You will have to physically hide your badge at the airport so no other employees can see that your're a gojetter...is that the dream job you're striving for?
Mesa: Will hurt you plenty while you're there, but won't kill your career. Pilots despise MAG management, but are generally only mildly annoyed at MAG pilots. You will be embarrassed to walk around the airport with your gay pink and purple mesa badge.
TSA: Wouldn't hurt your career, but you might be better off as a CFI until you can get to a better regional.
GoJets: Will hurt other people, and might very well hurt you if you run into an ex-regional guy at an important job interview ten years down the road. You will have to physically hide your badge at the airport so no other employees can see that your're a gojetter...is that the dream job you're striving for?
Mesa: Will hurt you plenty while you're there, but won't kill your career. Pilots despise MAG management, but are generally only mildly annoyed at MAG pilots. You will be embarrassed to walk around the airport with your gay pink and purple mesa badge.
TSA: Wouldn't hurt your career, but you might be better off as a CFI until you can get to a better regional.
07-30-2007, 12:23 PM
#70
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Originally Posted by blastboy
SmoothLanderJ - Why not apply to the jokers in your avatar? 
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