OH brother this is the reason why things will never change. I guess arguing on the internet is pointless. After a 230 post thread, were' back to square one. If what you're saying is true, that management didn't want to deal with ALPAs demands, then how does GJ have their current pay and contract? Yes initially GJ was a pretty bad operation, as most start ups are, but eventually it became union with standard work rules. This GJ thing would only hold water if today they were still the 05 operation with no work rules and Mesa CrJ7 pay, but now it's no different then any other regional. Get over it.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...temid,112.html

 

Back to my point about just spewing out what some captain or management told you. Its funny that you say exactly what we were told by management in our new hire classes. Feel free to do a little research. What I'm saying isn't some conspiracy theory, its the facts.

1) United asks TSA to fly 700's
2) TSA agrees and tells TSA pilots that they are going to fly these under the same payscale.
3) TSA pilots hold out for better pay for a bigger aircraft
4) TSH decides to go elsewhere for cheaper labor
5) Guys come in and fly at crappy wages
6)TSH gets X months of cheap labor before GoJet unionizes to negotiate a slightly less crappy contract


Is anything wrong here?

 

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I'm sorry, I'm confused. How do I put it any more simple?

TSH found pilots who were willing to fly for cheaper than TSA pilots were willing to.

Why would they do that? Well, that's kinda the point of business, the less you pay your employees, the more you have in the bank. The more money you have.

Is it that hard to understand?

 

Uh yea it is because G7 pilots do not fly cheaper than TSA pilots. We make 66, CRJ7 pay. But that's not the point.

Look, ask any TSA who was there in 05, this is all true. TSA's mec, who not only didn't get along with all in the pilot group, especially didn't get along with Hulas. Not a good starting point, he should have never been an MEC. They all agree that he did a horrible job and ultimately left no chance for Hulas to entertain more negotiations. Had something been done to that guy TSA would have 100% had a republic style single list. It wasn't Hulas's intention to screw over his own pilot group for what is after all, a few more dollars worth of pay. Not worth all the trouble. However he wanted it all or nothing. And Hulas, who owns this company who doesnt have any shareholders to please told him where he could stick it, ruining the chance for AX guys to have a better future. After all it is capitalism.

Then in 05 we had ALPA who we all know is a wonderful union especially for the regionals, that created a campaign of innuendo and spin turning pilots against one another. Most don't know what happened during those negotiations or what the circumstance were, now they think that G7 was formed because Hulas didn't want to pay more PERIOD. The unfortunate side effects is that even now, there are people out there who not necessarily do not like GJ but still think that it's a non union airline full of union hating pilots. I guess you can go by what you heard or look for the truth.

 

You obviously haven't been around here very long.

 

wow...

i'm baffled. i dont even have the time to correct all the fiction in here.

but one correction... "It wasn't Hulas's intention to screw over his own pilot group for what is after all, a few more dollars worth of pay."

why is our current contract expired for almost 3 yrs? you've got some nerve. keep drinkin the kool-aid over there. ill be spreadin your name around.

 

I like beer

 

Is anything wrong here? Yes you forgot line 5a...

 

I really thought about making a reasoned response to all this but I think I will not. The internet is not the place to fight this fight. I will fight this fight in the real world. ALL GO JET PILOTS ARE MY ENEMY and will remain so for my professional life. It may or may not affect you in your life but you should probably note that taking a job there makes you an enemy.