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cmesoar 04-20-2013 06:07 PM

LOL!! Great news! maybe uncle hulie is setting himself up for retirement!!

PinnacleFO 04-20-2013 06:17 PM

Gojet only has 20 ish 700s flying for delta so either the Rumor is false or planes will come from more airlines than stopprop

CrakPipeOvrheat 04-20-2013 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1395229)
Hate to tell you this, but even with the new contract Pinnacle's pilot costs are still higher than Gojet.

Maybe there is something in the future that makes pinnacle cheaper in the long run. Pinnacle pilots just signed a 7 tear contract. Are GoJet rates locked in for 7 years? What about the flight attendants, mechanics, corporate employees? Are they locked into a bad long term contracts like 9e union groups? No.

WarpSpeed 04-20-2013 06:36 PM

If this is all true, I feel bad for the Comair and Pinnacle guys who had to take the job as a last resort. They don't deserve to have to go through it all again. And, it's doubtful the stuff will run uphill far enough to reach the guys who made GJ possible.

PCLCREW 04-20-2013 06:45 PM

It is true... All of GoJets Delta flying is up for bid... I agree its a real kick in the seat for the Comair people over there. It remains to be seen if Pinnacle will get them, but chances are they will.
It's starting to look like this has been part of a plan set forth by Delta if certain things worked out...
Personally I don't think this has anything to do with GoJets performance, I don't think Delta ever had any plans of keeping GoJet as a long term partner.

Redbird611 04-20-2013 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1395234)
How does that make sense? By definition, a request for proposal is put out by the mainline that needs its regional service covered. Delta "owns" 9E now. So how can 9E put a bid in? And if it can, wouldn't Delta know right away if 9E will get the flying or not?

Probably the same way DGS (Delta owned) underbid Regional Elite (Delta owned) for ground service RFPs.

legend 04-20-2013 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1395259)
Maybe there is something in the future that makes pinnacle cheaper in the long run. Pinnacle pilots just signed a 7 tear contract. Are GoJet rates locked in for 7 years? What about the flight attendants, mechanics, corporate employees? Are they locked into a bad long term contracts like 9e union groups? No.

Pilot cost are more but apparently overall cost is less.

ShyGuy 04-20-2013 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1395259)
Maybe there is something in the future that makes pinnacle cheaper in the long run. Pinnacle pilots just signed a 7 tear contract. Are GoJet rates locked in for 7 years? What about the flight attendants, mechanics, corporate employees? Are they locked into a bad long term contracts like 9e union groups? No.

No, but GoJets pilots are under a union CBA. Even if their contract is amendable this year, nothing prevents them from being in negotiations for the next 5 years while continuing to serve under the same amdendable contract. Sound familiar?

Ftrooppilot 04-20-2013 07:36 PM

Stability and control.

ShyGuy 04-20-2013 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1395264)
It is true... All of GoJets Delta flying is up for bid... I agree its a real kick in the seat for the Comair people over there. It remains to be seen if Pinnacle will get them, but chances are they will.
It's starting to look like this has been part of a plan set forth by Delta if certain things worked out...
Personally I don't think this has anything to do with GoJets performance, I don't think Delta ever had any plans of keeping GoJet as a long term partner.

Yikes, if this is true, and 9E gets the new CR7 flying, then 9E would have undercut GoJets. Never thought that would be possible, but I guess it is when people vote yes to paycuts. More importantly, who is going to bid the 7? It just doesn't sound as good as the 9.


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