Pinnacle is separate...

I thought they'd lost that in the bankruptcy contract. Even if they haven't the number of carriers without common category for all CRJ variants is growing smaller all the time.

At least somebody gets it.

TSA was given the shot to fly those airplanes for pay rates that their union didnt think were fair. Unfortunately TSAs contract did not have strong enough scope protection in order to play tough with the company. Union still decided to play tough, and lost.

I can understand the initial animosity among pilots then. But the hate is pointed in the wrong direction.

Basically the contract you just renegotiated yanked the rug out from under the Gojet pilots in their contract negotiations. If you think Hulas will negotiate a contract that will not make them the most cost effective airline out there then you are smoking crack.

i don't care who you are, that's funny right there!:rolleyes:


did you ever stop to think that we had to negotiate against THEIR low rates with our last good contract, and that our bankrupcy contract puts us at the same level as them, if not more, with the soft pay?

and wait.....you work for trans states? have you seen your pay compared to Pinnacle? ha ha!

Not saying the Gojet contract had no effect on PCL. What I'm saying is any hope those guys had of better payrates went out the window the day you guys voted to take concessions.

Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?

your TSA rates are only $2 more than our bankrupcy rates!!! You didn't hear pinnacle complaining and whining about your TSA rates when we were negotiating our good contract 3 years ago, and your low pay had an influence on our low bankrupcy pay!!!!! can you say hypocrite?

and like you people told us.....all you gotta do is vote NO......right?????and then you will get what you want???? So all GJ has to do is vote NO! funny how people preach just vote NO like it is so easy, until it hits THEIR pocketbooks!

Our concessions were voted on by us for us, not go jets. Any effect our concessions have on the rest of the industry were the least of our worries, as we were voting for OUR company.

One of the reasons why we took concessions is GoJet, amount other things.
I was a no vote, but if we had gone out of business another DCI carrier would have been forced to lower their rates.
That is in direct relation to GoJet and Compass, because they're both very junior and cheap.
Express Jet will be next. Sad but true.

Funny, but CHQ flies for american and pilots on their SAME SENIORITY LIST fly 70 seaters for united. So, tell me again how Hulas couldn't do the same thing? Oh, wait, that's because the real reason gojet was created was to get around TSA's union, not AMR scope.