UN adjusts carbon offset scam for airlines
07-08-2020, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
yeah, we should look instead to the American right wing for the REAL solutions to climate change...
or we all can be responsible for our role in pollution and not turn it into penalties and revenues designed to line pockets, support narratives and never really fix the problem. It should have nothing to do with politics, it should be about individuals, businesses, industries and governments taking personal responsibility. Carbon-credit will not solve the pollution problem because they make money from managing the credits, just like the cancer industry will not cure cancer because they make money managing it. But hey, it’s much easier to do nothing and just hypocritically blame others because they don’t support a political point of view.
people can always feel holier-than-thou by doing nothing and yelling loudly.
07-08-2020, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Hate to tell you but neither cap and trade or ACA exchanges are "market based solutions"
Whoever told you that is clearly ignorant of the facts.
Whoever told you that is clearly ignorant of the facts.
you were for it before you were against it. Lookie there’s another one from the right
07-08-2020, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
or we all can be responsible for our role in pollution and not turn it into penalties and revenues designed to line pockets, support narratives and never really fix the problem. It should have nothing to do with politics, it should be about individuals, businesses, industries and governments taking personal responsibility. Carbon-credit will not solve the pollution problem because they make money from managing the credits, just like the cancer industry will not cure cancer because they make money managing it. But hey, it’s much easier to do nothing and just hypocritically blame others because they don’t support a political point of view.
people can always feel holier-than-thou by doing nothing and yelling loudly.
people can always feel holier-than-thou by doing nothing and yelling loudly.
Tangent-you’re saying the health care system could cure cancer, but chooses not to??
07-08-2020, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
or we all can be responsible for our role in pollution and not turn it into penalties and revenues designed to line pockets, support narratives and never really fix the problem. It should have nothing to do with politics, it should be about individuals, businesses, industries and governments taking personal responsibility. Carbon-credit will not solve the pollution problem because they make money from managing the credits, just like the cancer industry will not cure cancer because they make money managing it. But hey, it’s much easier to do nothing and just hypocritically blame others because they don’t support a political point of view.
people can always feel holier-than-thou by doing nothing and yelling loudly.
people can always feel holier-than-thou by doing nothing and yelling loudly.
07-08-2020, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’m sure most of the “left” would be fully in favor of making people pay for the real externalities of their behavior. I’m not sure the “right” would do so, as they’ve fought so hard not to for decades.
07-08-2020, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Like I said, it shouldn’t be about politics but about teaching people to do the right thing, but you can’t help yourselves. Spouting a narrative requires no effort and has no other effect than to display a false social superiority.
keep in mind that you were the one who mentioned the “left” in the comment I originally responded to. So if you want it to not be about politics, maybe don’t make it about “left”
07-08-2020, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Hate to tell you but neither cap and trade or ACA exchanges are "market based solutions"
Whoever told you that is clearly ignorant of the facts.
Whoever told you that is clearly ignorant of the facts.
07-08-2020, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’m fully in favor of having businesses pay for the real externalities of their pollution. I’m not sure how that’s any narrative other than one of personal responsibility and integrity.
keep in mind that you were the one who mentioned the “left” in the comment I originally responded to. So if you want it to not be about politics, maybe don’t make it about “left”
keep in mind that you were the one who mentioned the “left” in the comment I originally responded to. So if you want it to not be about politics, maybe don’t make it about “left”
an example would be an environmental protest where the focus is industry but the protestors leave it trashed. That’s not a helpful mindset.
07-08-2020, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
it needs to extend beyond business and include individuals. Like those who throw their stuff on the ground, trash their own neighborhoods, etc.
an example would be an environmental protest where the focus is industry but the protestors leave it trashed. That’s not a helpful mindset.
an example would be an environmental protest where the focus is industry but the protestors leave it trashed. That’s not a helpful mindset.
and I’m not sure who argued in favor of litter, but you do you
07-08-2020, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Exactly.
We should strive to reduce pollution as much as possible but not to the extent that it harms our own economy or quality of life. And we shouldn't fall for scams pushed by radicalized bureaucrats and politicians.
We should strive to reduce pollution as much as possible but not to the extent that it harms our own economy or quality of life. And we shouldn't fall for scams pushed by radicalized bureaucrats and politicians.
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