Where My Doomers At?
09-20-2022, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The Taiwan situation is very much in the eye of the beholder. The way the USG looks at is this...
Taiwan is a territorial part of China. We would oppose an attempt by say Spain to invade and annex the island. We would also not support an attempt by the ROC to "merge" with another nation so as to secure their independence from Beijing. Say if they tried to become a prefect of Japan or ROK. Also we would would not entertain a request for Taiwan to join the US as the 51st state... although if the PRC started a big war, who knows what might happen after the dust settles. Those are just hypothetical examples, no basis in reality.
We also do not recognize any inherent right of the CCP to rule Taiwan, although we do recognize the CCP as the mainland sovereign.
Our attitude is that the internal relation between Taiwan and the mainland (aka "China" and "East China" lol) needs to be settled peacefully and by mutual agreement between the two parties. We would certainly let ROC join the PRC if they legitimately chose to do so (they won't, the ROC leaders and upper crust of society are too afraid of the gulag).
Taiwan is a territorial part of China. We would oppose an attempt by say Spain to invade and annex the island. We would also not support an attempt by the ROC to "merge" with another nation so as to secure their independence from Beijing. Say if they tried to become a prefect of Japan or ROK. Also we would would not entertain a request for Taiwan to join the US as the 51st state... although if the PRC started a big war, who knows what might happen after the dust settles. Those are just hypothetical examples, no basis in reality.
We also do not recognize any inherent right of the CCP to rule Taiwan, although we do recognize the CCP as the mainland sovereign.
Our attitude is that the internal relation between Taiwan and the mainland (aka "China" and "East China" lol) needs to be settled peacefully and by mutual agreement between the two parties. We would certainly let ROC join the PRC if they legitimately chose to do so (they won't, the ROC leaders and upper crust of society are too afraid of the gulag).
Either by force, by coup, or even by referendum. The disruption would be massive.
09-20-2022, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
It's even beyond that. Taiwan possesses a huge amount of global silicon fabs. It would be an economic disaster if they were suddenly seized by the PRC.
Either by force, by coup, or even by referendum. The disruption would be massive.
Either by force, by coup, or even by referendum. The disruption would be massive.
09-20-2022, 06:31 PM
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09-21-2022, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Better restart the draft https://youtu.be/ft0vkKCadgk
09-21-2022, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Better restart the draft https://youtu.be/ft0vkKCadgk
Relevance is a biatch...
09-21-2022, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Probably won't be that kind of war... air and sea mostly. Mostly. The army is actually trying to get into the mix by acquiring and deploying land-based antis-ship missiles Relevance is a biatch...
Relevance is a biatch...
09-21-2022, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Let's compare. At the time of Country Joe's epic sing along, we were at it good with the PRC, N Koreans and KGB Russians. Moon rockets. Upheaval in the streets. Endemic racism, poverty, rising drug use. I don’t know, seems familiar. I do know the answer I’d give any attempt to involve me in this blood feud.
"1,2,3, what are we fightin for? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn"
Any time a People doesn't believe in or know why they go to war, things probably won't go particularly well.
Medieval Arab scholar Ibn Khaldun identified the cohesion of a People (and hence its fighting effectiveness) as critical to the outcome of war. He labeled it asabiyyah.
Ukraine People know exactly what they are fighting for....and why.
They have asabiyyah.>>>The Russians don't..
09-21-2022, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ
IfUkraine People know exactly what they are fighting for....and why.
They have asabiyyah.>>>The Russians don't..
They have asabiyyah.>>>The Russians don't..
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09-22-2022, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
As the stacks of cadavers dumped in dirt on a front end loader account for. Ghastly arithmetic our soldiers need not be added.
Many, myself included, support providing Ukraine with weaponry and other support to fight the Russian escalated invasion with.
Partly because they would fight anyway.
Ukraine also, probably, does not wish to be in the position of requesting an allied army to leave after combat ends.
This war also has a clarity as to whom the aggressor is and whom has the moral right to defend themselves from an invading army. The mass graves also are e reminder of how Russia fights wars. Dating back, at least, to the 18th century in Praga. (Or more recently Chechnia).
