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Old 03-31-2025 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There are numerous nasayers who point out the challenges of a mars trip.

But all of the challenges are known and can be mitigated. The biggies...

Overall duration and space exposure: advanced propulsion systems can get there *much* faster. Or just send fuel tankers so you can run the engines more.

Radiation: Shielding. Submarine crews actually get less exposure submerged than sitting home in their living rooms, despite being a few feet from a reactor producing power levels measured in large numbers of megawatts. Need to get creative to save weight, but lead isn't the only suitable shielding (layers of various materials actually work better anyway).

Gravity: Any four year old on a playground knows intuitively how "artificial" gravity works. And you wouldn't actually need 1G... 0.3-0.4G (Mars local) would work fine. We already know how to recover astronauts back to earth after lengthy ISS stays, the trick on this mission is being able to function on arrival at Mars without length rehab.

Really it all comes to down to money.
On the subject of radiation, it's far easier to shield one or few directions such as on a tube submarine with a reactor. Same thing with a spaceship with an exotic powerplant such as something involving nuclear and radiation, you can simply put a barrier in between because the radiation isn't coming from "all directions". For cosmic radiation...that tends to be the issue more, that radiation is from "all directions", possibly necessitating shielding in "every direction", which works out to a lot more weight no matter what is used.

I agree the challenges are there for the challenge and not insurmountable, but it's also many times harder to address cosmic radiation as opposed to radiation from a power source that can be much more easily shielded.

Anything that provides artificial gravity will also be far more complex and again, heavier. That weight thing works against every aspect, because you have to start at the "end" in terms of the payload delivered to the surface and then work backwards to figure out what kind of ship, payload, fuel, etc. is required.

There is an idea that interstellar exploration may be best achieved with extremely lightweight sensors such as a microchip on a solar sail, that can be accelerated to a significant % of the speed of light, vs. probes or manned ships, since the latter two require orders of magnitude more fuel and ability to accelerate due to the weight.
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Old 04-01-2025 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I am too, regardless of his current party affiliation or politics.
I didn't mention party of politics. That certainly doesn't help his case.

Musk's superpower is that he's rich, which compensates for a lot, and in the short term, apparently puts him above the law, the government, and beyond reach. That's not forever.
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