More than a dozen Russian drones entered Poland overnight, prompting NATO to scramble fighter jets to shoot them down in what Western officials described on Wednesday as a dangerous escalation of the war in neighboring Ukraine.

It was the first time in the history of NATO that alliance fighters had engaged enemy targets in allied airspace, officials said. The drone incursion prompted Poland’s government to invoke Article 4 of the NATO treaty, a rarely used mechanism triggered when a member is under threat that prompts a formal discussion within the alliance.

<from NYT 9/10/25>

 

welcome, definitely a noteworthy post regarding the current conflict. If youve been paying attention no one wants to deal with a certain bot that consumes all the oxygen in the room posting lies and propaganda. Good luck

 

It’s weasel-worded to the point it really doesn’t compel any actual action. From the NATO treaty:

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/o...exts_17120.htm


So, basically, if any NATO member feels threatened, they are all going to discuss it. Not unreasonable at all, but NATO has had meeting after meeting to discuss this war since it began, even agreeing (except for Spain) to raise their defense expenditure target from 2% to 5% (well, 3.5% dedicated defense and 1.5% infrastructure projects that have a dual use that also support defense).

Basically, Article 5 allows individual countries “to take such action as they deem necessary” which x let’s face it - they were going to do with or without Article Five, pretty much by definition.

Aticle 51 of the UN Charter simply states:

https://legal.un.org/repertory/art51.shtml


And given both Russia and China are permanent members of the Security Council with veto power, the UN Security Council is unlikely to be able to take any action in any event.

So, yeah, the violation of Poland airspace by the Russian drones is an escalation and everybody ought to be looking at the implications and potential actions, but it’s wrong to think that Article Four or Article Five has much to do about it. They are somewhat enabling but by no means compelling. They basically just green light NATO nations doing what they were going to do anyway. Some NATO countries (Hungary, Slovakia, Spain, for instance) weren’t going to do anything before and probably still won’t. A lot of NATO countries simply can’t do much after 35 years of underfunding their own militaries. A NATO no-fly zone over Poland might stop (or at least slow down) future drone overflights but does nothing but restore the status quo ante, not really helping Ukraine that much.

 

Told you so lol, what an absolutely off the rails insane human

 

This video does a good job explaining what Putin is trying to do. It’s called reflexive control. Air defense systems are a limited resource, so by sending drones into polish airspace Russia is trying to make nato decide between giving Ukraine air defense systems or using them for their nato partners.

https://youtu.be/vW39m2w6V2c?si=8N5tjPhC2EhPQXWV

 

I think the more likely outcome is NATO fighters being deployed to Poland - with AWACS backup - to assist picking off drones violating Polands airspace as well as NATO antiaircraft artillery. In fact, they’ve already started promising to do that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lkz2n34z6o

But these were aircraft and artillery manned by NATO personnel that they had no intention of deploying to Ukraine in any event. Even the “coalition of the willing” isn’t willing to openly deploy their troops into Ukraine without a cease fire and even that only if backed up by an American backstop:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2025-02-26/

European militaries wouldn’t go into Yugoslavia without America leading the charge during the breakup of that country. They were unable/unwilling to handle the Serbian Army to stop genocide on the doorstep of Europe back then when their militaries were actually in better shape than they are now.


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...rch-24-1231269

 

All I envision is rick morranis and mel brooks chanting “suck,suck,suck,suck” 😂

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/world...s_iluminar_msn


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so, apparently the frigate:

https://www.seaforces.org/marint/Dan...eldt-class.htm

Instead of the AWACS, at least so far.

 

nice cut and paste mega maid 😂, so how much do you get paid for this?

 

There is an article in Polish newspaper (onet News [onet Wiadomosci]) reviewing a recent book.

It reviews the book "Army Made of Cardboard" ( Wojsko z Tektury)

The basic claim is that pretty much all equipment from the USA requires codes from the US government in order for them to be used.
The F-35, artillery, long range missiles, even the Abrahms tank.
Codes that can be changed or withheld on a moments notice.
This has obviously existed for a long while. As I lack the background, perhaps some readers on this site can probably advise if this is nonsense, or if there is basis of truth in it.

Regardless, to me the article shows a loss of trust in America.
1. If the assertion is somewhat accurate, it was an accepted feature by our NATO allies on purchase. Not an issue- America is an ally, has our back and can be trusted.
Now, at least with some, they are thinking they made a mistake in trusting a generational ally.
or
2. Even if it is all wrong, the fact that this is in a generally read online publication, shows that many believe that America can no longer be trusted.

Building takes years, tenacity plus physical and moral courage.
Destroying what has been built takes the blink of an eye.