I think things will turn around soon
06-20-2008, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Boogie Nights
Lets not go down this road. The one thing you can say is Bush is a man of his convictions. Maybe Hitler was too, I don't know. The difference is Hitler lost his war. History tends to be kind (right or wrong) to the winners of wars. The winners tend to write the morallity of their actions. Saddam was a bad guy, by most standards. Was it worthy of our unilateralism? Depends how you write the history. I am sure lots of people thought Saddam was great while others wanted him dead.
I spent 3.5 years (60-90 days at a time) of my life supporting sactions against this guy. Oh yeah behind 12' foot walls (for my protection). Prison is prison no matter how you color it..... It was my choice beacuse I chose to support my country and our way of life. It did not make me happy about it but I take responsibility for my choice.
We as a country made the choices (collectively like it or not) that brought this about. Whether you voted for him (Bush) or not your being right about him or the war does not change where we are. We need to move forward from here not 8 years ago.
I spent 3.5 years (60-90 days at a time) of my life supporting sactions against this guy. Oh yeah behind 12' foot walls (for my protection). Prison is prison no matter how you color it..... It was my choice beacuse I chose to support my country and our way of life. It did not make me happy about it but I take responsibility for my choice.
We as a country made the choices (collectively like it or not) that brought this about. Whether you voted for him (Bush) or not your being right about him or the war does not change where we are. We need to move forward from here not 8 years ago.
06-20-2008, 11:16 PM
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Barrack Obama is a non-issue here
Originally Posted by StraightShooter
George W. Bush's days are numbered. He will be out of office soon.
Then more than likely Barack Hussein Obama will be in the white house taking advice from his Pastor Wright about how the U.S. of KKK of A. is Wrong not wright. What a great role model he has.
Its hard to believe that Obama claims this crazy, whacked out, pastor made him "closer to Jesus" when all he does is "hoop and holler" about how the black folk is second in America.
You think its bad with Bush? Just wait till Hussein Obama takes over.....
Then more than likely Barack Hussein Obama will be in the white house taking advice from his Pastor Wright about how the U.S. of KKK of A. is Wrong not wright. What a great role model he has.
Its hard to believe that Obama claims this crazy, whacked out, pastor made him "closer to Jesus" when all he does is "hoop and holler" about how the black folk is second in America.
You think its bad with Bush? Just wait till Hussein Obama takes over.....
Barack Obama is not an issue in this discussion. Vote your heart but this is not a discussion on the presidential election.
06-20-2008, 11:21 PM
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Please Eveyone Think for yourself
Originally Posted by WhizWheel
Just like the rest of the mezmerized herd. Vote for BHO based on many many unsubstantive ideas because he's a "rockstar" and everyone else who thinks they are educated are going to anyway. Total herd mentality. I just LOVE those who can't think for themselves.
I had a discussion with my wife's cousin back in 02. He was laying into me for voting for GWB. He went on a 15 min diatribe. I asked him if he voted. He said "No", I told him to shut up.
Many of us as prior military have fought for just that right.
America is built on lots of spilt blood.
Please think for yourselves. To do that is to respect that others may think differently.
I will study long and hard before casting my next vote for president.
06-20-2008, 11:24 PM
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Neo-Cons VS Ultra Liberals
Originally Posted by CE750
I refer you to my body of work on Foreign Policy that you can go back and re-read beginning early on in this debate.
The war (read foreign policy); it's effects on oil prices, and the economy and strengthening labor are the only, repeat.. ONLY reason I"m voting for him... sad, isn't it?
The Republican Party lost me when they were hi-jacked by the Neo-Cons. it was the last straw for me. I put up with the breaking down of labor unions, and the making it easier to build crap in China for the sake of my pet issues, but enough is enough. Only thing I hate more than Godless Communists, is Godless Corporate Neo-Cons.. 
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Good evening now.
The war (read foreign policy); it's effects on oil prices, and the economy and strengthening labor are the only, repeat.. ONLY reason I"m voting for him... sad, isn't it?
The Republican Party lost me when they were hi-jacked by the Neo-Cons. it was the last straw for me. I put up with the breaking down of labor unions, and the making it easier to build crap in China for the sake of my pet issues, but enough is enough. Only thing I hate more than Godless Communists, is Godless Corporate Neo-Cons.. 'Good evening now.
I vote for moderation in all things.
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06-20-2008, 11:29 PM
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Congradultions on the New Job
Originally Posted by CE750
Now if that article doesn't make my point about a stable middle east and the war mongering of Bush and Israel "our friend".. then I think there is nothing I can say to convince anyone of my Syriana metaphor.
btw.. on a brighter note, I've just landed a corporate jet job on the Citation Sovereign (that's type rating #6, 8 if you count the SIC types now in 10 years)... the good news is great pay, an even better schedule, so there is something to be happy about (for now). Will have to find a new avitar I suppose..
btw.. on a brighter note, I've just landed a corporate jet job on the Citation Sovereign (that's type rating #6, 8 if you count the SIC types now in 10 years)... the good news is great pay, an even better schedule, so there is something to be happy about (for now). Will have to find a new avitar I suppose..
I mean this. I wish you a stable prosperous future
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06-20-2008, 11:31 PM
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Chinese Curse
Originally Posted by Blkflyer
Well lets just get ole J Mac as POTUS, Bottom line is if you think things are Bad now concerning our economy wait till McCain gets a hold of it, remember a country strong economically will be strong Security wise..
Disclaimer I am not a Dem or Rep I am an Independent all I got to say we are in for some interesting times ahead
Disclaimer I am not a Dem or Rep I am an Independent all I got to say we are in for some interesting times ahead
We do live in interesting times
06-20-2008, 11:46 PM
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Ok I read it all
32+ pages! Sorry I have been too busy working to keep up. Now 6 hours into a long LGA layover I have had time to read it.
God we are lucky. We can live in a place where we can speak our minds.
I guess the sacrafice is worth it. Thanks to the moderators. I know nothing has been solved but it has given us time to think that may have been otherwise spent watching CNN, Family Guy, or listening to talk radio.
Why China will not over-take us anytime soon? (see Below) We have a to speak our minds.
( BEIJING, June 5 -- The Beijing Olympic Organizing Committee has come up with a series of slogans and cheering routines for crowds at games' venues, Beijing Times reports.
An official with the Committee says the simple chants and gestures are designed to help spectators cheer for their favorite sportsmen in a smooth, civilized manner. These gestures include giving a double thumbs-up, and waving both arms with clenched fists. These actions are accompanied by several slogans.
The cheering routines – most of which are made up of four steps - which will be popularized among spectators in the weeks leading up to the Olympics. Live broadcasts before and during Olympic events will promote the use of these gestures. Volunteers will also be on hand to direct the crowds how to cheer.
The Beijing Olympic Organizing Committee has hired 30 cheering squads at Olympic ventures to show spectators how the gestures are done. The Ministry of Education is also arranging special training sessions in schools for the 800,000 students who are expected to attend the games. The gestures and slogans for the 2008 Olympics were released on Wednesday.)
God we are lucky. We can live in a place where we can speak our minds.
I guess the sacrafice is worth it. Thanks to the moderators. I know nothing has been solved but it has given us time to think that may have been otherwise spent watching CNN, Family Guy, or listening to talk radio.
Why China will not over-take us anytime soon? (see Below) We have a to speak our minds.
( BEIJING, June 5 -- The Beijing Olympic Organizing Committee has come up with a series of slogans and cheering routines for crowds at games' venues, Beijing Times reports.
An official with the Committee says the simple chants and gestures are designed to help spectators cheer for their favorite sportsmen in a smooth, civilized manner. These gestures include giving a double thumbs-up, and waving both arms with clenched fists. These actions are accompanied by several slogans.
The cheering routines – most of which are made up of four steps - which will be popularized among spectators in the weeks leading up to the Olympics. Live broadcasts before and during Olympic events will promote the use of these gestures. Volunteers will also be on hand to direct the crowds how to cheer.
The Beijing Olympic Organizing Committee has hired 30 cheering squads at Olympic ventures to show spectators how the gestures are done. The Ministry of Education is also arranging special training sessions in schools for the 800,000 students who are expected to attend the games. The gestures and slogans for the 2008 Olympics were released on Wednesday.)
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06-22-2008, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Boogie Nights
I had a discussion with my wife's cousin back in 02. He was laying into me for voting for GWB. He went on a 15 min diatribe. I asked him if he voted. He said "No", I told him to shut up.
Many of us as prior military have fought for just that right.
America is built on lots of spilt blood.
Please think for yourselves. To do that is to respect that others may think differently.
I will study long and hard before casting my next vote for president.
Many of us as prior military have fought for just that right.
America is built on lots of spilt blood.
Please think for yourselves. To do that is to respect that others may think differently.
I will study long and hard before casting my next vote for president.
06-22-2008, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Boogie Nights
Israel was created:
The Holocaust, the killing of approximately 6 million European Jews by the Nazis, had a major impact on the situation in Palestine. During World War II Britain, which had been granted a mandate over Palestine by the United Nations, forbade entry into Palestine for European Jews escaping Nazi persecution.
On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of a Partition Plan that created the State of Israel. The British reliquished their mandate over Palestine in 1948. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews soon after. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, established the state of Israel as an independent state, with the rest of the British Mandate of Palestine split into areas controlled by Egypt and Transjordan.
I have no problem with Israel I respect the people and especially their ablity to kick-ass that said it must have sucked to be a Palestinian in 1947 to have a foreign body set up a country (that you did not vote for in your midst) This is a problem America will not fix. Israel and the rest of the Arab world at some point will have to get along.
Nukes / oil make this a world wide problem.
Too bad Borax is not oil then we would have the market cornered
Pet Peeve of mine:
In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution. The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to hostility toward Jews, further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term.
SO Remember if you are anti-semetic you are by definition anti-middle eastern not anti-jewish.
The Holocaust, the killing of approximately 6 million European Jews by the Nazis, had a major impact on the situation in Palestine. During World War II Britain, which had been granted a mandate over Palestine by the United Nations, forbade entry into Palestine for European Jews escaping Nazi persecution.
On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of a Partition Plan that created the State of Israel. The British reliquished their mandate over Palestine in 1948. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews soon after. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, established the state of Israel as an independent state, with the rest of the British Mandate of Palestine split into areas controlled by Egypt and Transjordan.
I have no problem with Israel I respect the people and especially their ablity to kick-ass that said it must have sucked to be a Palestinian in 1947 to have a foreign body set up a country (that you did not vote for in your midst) This is a problem America will not fix. Israel and the rest of the Arab world at some point will have to get along.
Nukes / oil make this a world wide problem.
Too bad Borax is not oil then we would have the market cornered
Pet Peeve of mine:
In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution. The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to hostility toward Jews, further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term.
SO Remember if you are anti-semetic you are by definition anti-middle eastern not anti-jewish.
I also know what you mean about leaving this discussion for only a little while (in my case yard work) and having to catch up on the posts.
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