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Old 06-23-2008, 07:50 PM
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Cali is a city in Columbia.............used to fly there in DC-8s.
I live in California.
You probably mean Cali, COLOMBIA. Not Columbia. Sorry I had to do it.
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You are probably right.............Damn I must be more careful.
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Pollution is the introduction of contaminants into an environment, of whatever predetermined or agreed upon proportions or frame of reference; these contaminants cause instability, disorder, harm or discomfort to the physical systems or living organisms therein.[1] Pollution can take the form of chemical substances, or energy, such as noise, heat, or light energy. Pollutants, the elements of pollution, can be foreign substances or energies, or naturally occurring; when naturally occurring, they are considered contaminants when they exceed natural levels. Pollution is often classed as point source or nonpoint source pollution.

I grew up here in California. We have been called the left coast. Truth isthe biggest idiots here are the one who come here (migrate) from the rest of the country. Chasing the dream. I grew up near the beach lower middle class happy to be here. New people moving in here have money and some sence of entitlement like the world owes them.

Example was the lady who wanted to move LAX because the airplanes make to much noise. Same lady who would complain if she had to drive to Long beach to catch a flight.

I know someone who went surfing and hung their wetsuit outside their house to dry. Someone put a note on their door saying please not to hang wetsuits because they spent allot of money on their house and did not want beach trash like him bringing down property values.

We have become the dumping ground for the rest of the countries artsy wantabees who want the American dream without working or sacrificing for it. The children of these nuts tend to be grounded but there are always new nuts to follow in their parents foot steps. Its frustrating
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Default The polluting of California

Pollution is the introduction of contaminants into an environment, of whatever predetermined or agreed upon proportions or frame of reference; these contaminants cause instability, disorder, harm or discomfort to the physical systems or living organisms therein.[1] Pollution can take the form of chemical substances, or energy, such as noise, heat, or light energy. Pollutants, the elements of pollution, can be foreign substances or energies, or naturally occurring; when naturally occurring, they are considered contaminants when they exceed natural levels. Pollution is often classed as point source or nonpoint source pollution.

I grew up here in California. We have been called the left coast. Truth is the biggest idiots here are the ones who come here (migrate) from the rest of the country. Chasing the dream. I grew up near the beach lower middle class happy to be here. New people moving in here have money and some sence of entitlement like the world owes them.

Example was the lady who wanted to move LAX because the airplanes make to much noise. Same lady who would complain if she had to drive to Long beach to catch a flight.

I know someone who went surfing and hung their wetsuit outside their house to dry. Someone put a note on their door saying please not to hang wetsuits because they spent allot of money on their house and did not want beach trash like him bringing down property values.

We have become the dumping ground for the rest of the countries artsy wantabees who want the American dream without working or sacrificing for it. The children of these nuts tend to be grounded but there are always new nuts to follow in their parents foot steps. Its frustrating
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While oil use is down in the US it is up world-wide. That said as the world economy tanks so too will the demand for oil. China and India can buy all the oil they want but they will have no use for it.

How India Should Combat Inflation

Posted by B V Krishnamurthy on April 11, 2008 6:11 AM
Indian inflation has just hit a 3-year high of 7.41%. We can take comfort from the fact that many of our neighbors are faced with 20%; even China has reported an 11-year high of 8.7%.
Global trends are cited as the primary reason for the present situation. The IMF has reported that food prices in February were 65% more than in 2005; metal prices were up by 70% since 2005 and petroleum products have shot up by over 175%. A buoyant economy, shortfall in production of several goods, sky-rocketing crude prices, and the diversion of food crops for bio-fuel have all contributed to rising prices.

The 5th biggest trading partner of the country of China is Walmart.
China can have all the oil it wants but it will do it no good if no one buys their manufactured good. That combined with oil speculation.... oil will tank in the fall.

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Oil is going to drop, lets hope we all all here to see it!
Some will see it from the side lines
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Pollution is the introduction of contaminants into an environment, of whatever predetermined or agreed upon proportions or frame of reference; these contaminants cause instability, disorder, harm or discomfort to the physical systems or living organisms therein.[1] Pollution can take the form of chemical substances, or energy, such as noise, heat, or light energy. Pollutants, the elements of pollution, can be foreign substances or energies, or naturally occurring; when naturally occurring, they are considered contaminants when they exceed natural levels. Pollution is often classed as point source or nonpoint source pollution.

I grew up here in California. We have been called the left coast. Truth is the biggest idiots here are the ones who come here (migrate) from the rest of the country. Chasing the dream. I grew up near the beach lower middle class happy to be here. New people moving in here have money and some sence of entitlement like the world owes them.

Example was the lady who wanted to move LAX because the airplanes make to much noise. Same lady who would complain if she had to drive to Long beach to catch a flight.

I know someone who went surfing and hung their wetsuit outside their house to dry. Someone put a note on their door saying please not to hang wetsuits because they spent allot of money on their house and did not want beach trash like him bringing down property values.

We have become the dumping ground for the rest of the countries artsy wantabees who want the American dream without working or sacrificing for it. The children of these nuts tend to be grounded but there are always new nuts to follow in their parents foot steps. Its frustrating
Very well said and so true. I grew up in SoCal and that is definitely true the sense of entitlement there. Its become the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah
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Let hope when oil drops companies follow SWA's example and hedge (assuming they have some cash). I am not sure if SWA was lucky, insightful, or just prudent when they hedged. A big problem with airlines are that their costs are not fixed. I suspect SWA decided at what fixed fuel cost they could operate at and still make a healthy profit, took some cash on hand and hedged. By hedging they fixed their prices (to a degree) for a decade. If airlines take their remaining cash and lock their prices in (rather than give exec bonuses, or pay out to share holders) Airlines could remain healthy and stable. Then we could negotiate contracts with no fear increased wages with kill the company.

I think was very wise and prudent SWA, that got where it is. I still do not know why they taxi 2 engine!
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So we invaded a whole nation based on what many call a poor excuse yet when we have control of major ME oil but can't come up with an "excuse" to sell the idea of using it for ourselves to the rest of the world??? I don't buy it

We gave Saddam a "wink" to invade Kuwait????? Being that this might **** off our "friends in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia doesn't this sound a little far fetched? I mean do you have proof of this?????

No weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Lets ask the families of the thousands of Kurds who were gassed if Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. Or perhaps we can chat with the scores of Gulf War vets with Gulf War Syndrome (labeled as PTSD from the left) if chemical weapons (most definitely categorized as weapons of mass destruction) were used? Just to quell some ignorance, WMD is not just limited to NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!!!!

So we play world police (Africa, Indonesia, S.America) in addition to Middle Eastern affairs and in the process get labeled by all the pacifist, elitist nations as playing world police. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
From the wikipedia gulf war website: Gulf War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" TENSIONS WITH KUWAIT

In late July 1990, as negotiations between Iraq and Kuwait stalled, Iraq massed troops on its border with the emirate and summoned US ambassador April Glaspie to a meeting with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Two transcripts of that meeting have been produced, both of them controversial. In them, Saddam Hussein outlined his grievances against Kuwait, while promising that he would not invade Kuwait before one more round of negotiations. In the version published by The New York Times on September 23, 1990, Glaspie expressed concern over the troop buildup to Saddam Hussein:
“We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late ’60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via [Chadli] Klibi [then Arab League General Secretary] or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us? My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil. But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not in the spirit of confrontation — regarding your intentions. I simply describe the position of my Government. And I do not mean that the situation is a simple situation. But our concern is a simple one.

Some have interpreted portions of these statements, particularly the language "We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait", as signaling an American "green light" for the invasion. Although the US State Department did not confirm (or deny) the authenticity of these transcripts, US sources say that it handled everything “by the book” (in accordance with the US' official neutrality on the Iraq-Kuwait issue) and had not signaled to Saddam Hussein any approval for defying the Arab League’s Jeddah crisis squad, which had conducted the negotiations. Many believe that Saddam Hussein may have been influenced by the perception that the US was not interested in the issue, (as they had not minded when he ordered the invasion of Iran) for which the Glaspie transcript is merely an example, and that he may have felt so in part because of U.S. support for the reunification of Germany, another act that he considered to be nothing more than the nullification of an artificial, internal border. Others, such as Kenneth Pollack, believe he had no such illusion, or that he simply underestimated the extent of a US response."

Google the name April Glaspie please. Two of the first websites: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps? and April Glaspie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the WMD issue was not that if Iraq ever had WMD and had used them (The US and other countries sold him WMD incidentally) but whether he still had them or not after UN sanctions were made against Iraq, the first of these occuring after the end of the Persian Gulf War. At least watch the History channel please.

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From the wikipedia gulf war website: Gulf War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" TENSIONS WITH KUWAIT

In late July 1990, as negotiations between Iraq and Kuwait stalled, Iraq massed troops on its border with the emirate and summoned US ambassador April Glaspie to a meeting with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Two transcripts of that meeting have been produced, both of them controversial. In them, Saddam Hussein outlined his grievances against Kuwait, while promising that he would not invade Kuwait before one more round of negotiations. In the version published by The New York Times on September 23, 1990, Glaspie expressed concern over the troop buildup to Saddam Hussein:
“We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late ’60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via [Chadli] Klibi [then Arab League General Secretary] or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us? My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil. But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not in the spirit of confrontation — regarding your intentions. I simply describe the position of my Government. And I do not mean that the situation is a simple situation. But our concern is a simple one.

Some have interpreted portions of these statements, particularly the language "We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait", as signaling an American "green light" for the invasion. Although the US State Department did not confirm (or deny) the authenticity of these transcripts, US sources say that it handled everything “by the book” (in accordance with the US' official neutrality on the Iraq-Kuwait issue) and had not signaled to Saddam Hussein any approval for defying the Arab League’s Jeddah crisis squad, which had conducted the negotiations. Many believe that Saddam Hussein may have been influenced by the perception that the US was not interested in the issue, (as they had not minded when he ordered the invasion of Iran) for which the Glaspie transcript is merely an example, and that he may have felt so in part because of U.S. support for the reunification of Germany, another act that he considered to be nothing more than the nullification of an artificial, internal border. Others, such as Kenneth Pollack, believe he had no such illusion, or that he simply underestimated the extent of a US response."

Google the name April Glaspie please. Two of the first websites: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps? and April Glaspie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the WMD issue was not that if Iraq ever had WMD and had used them (The US and other countries sold him WMD incidentally) but whether he still had them or not after UN sanctions were made against Iraq, the first of these occuring after the end of the Persian Gulf War. At least watch the History channel please.

OIL makes the world go round. And it's NOT coming down.
Ummm, your retort is "watch the history channel please"???? Fella please tell me that Wikipedia and The History Channel are not your primary sources for why you can further the argument that Iraq had no WMD, even AFTER sanctions. The fact remains that WMD were found on Iraqi soil (errr sand) long after sanctions were imposed. You've had too much leftist Kool Aid in thinking otherwise.

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