I think things will turn around soon
#361
Guess what Phil Gramm is doing today? He's McCains Chief Economist Advisor and campaign co-chair.
There you go. It all makes sense again.
#365
#366
Ummm, your retort is "watch the history channel please"???? Fella please tell me that Wikipedia and The History Channel are not your primary sources for why you can further the argument that Iraq had no WMD, even AFTER sanctions. The fact remains that WMD were found on Iraqi soil (errr sand) long after sanctions were imposed. You've had too much leftist Kool Aid in thinking otherwise.
Dude, give it a break.... even the Bush Administration has since given up on the WMD argument.. we're now onto Al Queda and War on Terror as the reason. Next, after this president is out of office, the truth will come out and we'll just come right out and admit it.. oil.
#367
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I was getting excited about the article until the last sentence......"however, this bubble is likely to deflate only partly, before resuming its climb until alternatives displace oil as our primary energy sources"
#368
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The only way we'll find out the whole truth is NOT when we have a new president because that president will still have to rely on our intelligence agencies which as you pointed out weren’t always correct in their assessments of Iraq’s weapons program.
We'll have to wait for Syria to become an open society and only then will the truth come out. There is a reason to why Iraq let in a bunch of Russian special ops forces right before the war. No one knows what happened to their weapons program but it was there before, no one could account for its destruction thus it must have been hidden or evacuated 'somewhere' - Syria is the safest bet since they're a strong Russian ally and the Socialist Arab Baath party in power there is of the same branch Saddam belonged to.
Your hate for Bush makes you very color blind - you discount anything bad that our enemies might have done and put all the blame squarely on us.
I do remember the days Ronald Reagan was vilified as a war monger, American terrorist, etc, in Europe and elsewhere. I lived in Europe then and frankly the treatment Reagan received by the Europeans then was harsher than Bush ever got. Bush is disliked and has no respect over there - Reagan was hated - after all, he wanted to bring nuclear war to Europe! That's how the lefties portrayed him and people bought it.
People were wrong then but they didn’t realize it until some 10-15 years later. I personally think Bush sucked as a president but for different reason than you do. He turned into an illegal amnesty proponent; he didn't even try to control spending in order to placate the leftist congress, etc, etc.
When it comes to the war on terror though, I think history will judge him very positively, however it'll have to take 10-15 years again before the world realizes what was really happening in the Middle East... Just my take on it…
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#369
Previous Presidential Administrations, to remain nameless in order to preserve "fair and balanced reporting", played a significant role in arming Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi military...still have the haunting memory of Don Rumsfeld shaking hands w/ Saddam Hussein and having the biggest smile I've ever seen on a diplomat's face. Of course, Iraq was battling the Iranians in a brutal 10 year war, we heavily armed the Iraqis as a result, but obviously our government at that time did not put much thought into the long-term implications of that decision.
Now, as a nation, we're paying for those decisions.
How does it affect our aviation industry and a turn-around? I don't know, seems like I had always remembered people say that war was good for the economy, but a quick look around and it doesn't really seem like this war has helped our economy out much. At least I'm not getting any positive vibes.
So now we've got the mother of all bad combinations going on: High fuel costs, shoddy economy, the credit crunch, staggering forclosure rates (now the average American loses much of their purchasing power...attached to the value of their homes), a pathetically weak dollar, and an unbelievable national debt, just to name a few.
Now, as a nation, we're paying for those decisions.
How does it affect our aviation industry and a turn-around? I don't know, seems like I had always remembered people say that war was good for the economy, but a quick look around and it doesn't really seem like this war has helped our economy out much. At least I'm not getting any positive vibes.
So now we've got the mother of all bad combinations going on: High fuel costs, shoddy economy, the credit crunch, staggering forclosure rates (now the average American loses much of their purchasing power...attached to the value of their homes), a pathetically weak dollar, and an unbelievable national debt, just to name a few.
#370
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Previous Presidential Administrations, to remain nameless in order to preserve "fair and balanced reporting", played a significant role in arming Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi military...still have the haunting memory of Don Rumsfeld shaking hands w/ Saddam Hussein and having the biggest smile I've ever seen on a diplomat's face. Of course, Iraq was battling the Iranians in a brutal 10 year war, we heavily armed the Iraqis as a result, but obviously our government at that time did not put much thought into the long-term implications of that decision.
Now, as a nation, we're paying for those decisions...
Now, as a nation, we're paying for those decisions...
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