horusfalcon

It seems if somebody wants to do you in, all they have to do is report you as to Homelandland Security, as you being a, "Home Grown" Terrorist, the machine will do the rest.

Homegrown terrorists I am hearing more and more about them on Fox news. Question, If you track down and follow a Homegrown terrorist to its Lair, and you "smoke" it! Is that considered good or bad?

NoStep

After reading the original thread and Steven's defense, it got me to thinking...(I know...shocking, eh?)

-I'd hate to be the target of some over-zealous DA trying to make a name for themselves by trampling on me.
-Once you have a drug test, it's not tested in your presence, lab people make mistakes too, and you can even get false positive results from pregnancy tests.
-I've been tested 6 times in one year...they don't want positives, so if you're clean, your # comes up more often.
-Testing is a witch hunt...if it was about safety, you'd never get tested after your trip.
BUT

-Come on, dude...you're an airline pilot selling drug cleansing products on a site called "yourintheclear.com"...with a pun on urine...really??!!
-This holistic voodoo "body cleansing" (nudge-nudge-wink) is crap, and there are rarely ever "false positives" that Mr. Sharp says exist.
-I've been around enough stoners that I don't want them in my cockpit or using products to evade drug tests.
-I liked flying better when pilots smoked Lucky Strikes, and they only had to worry about the V.D. test from the long layover in 'Po City...

DeadHead

Bingo, took the words out of my mouth.

unitedpilot

I have to disagree. He was selling this since 1997 as he stated. All of a sudden he becomes an airline pilot and is supposed to stop selling something that clearly is not illegal. While maybe bad ethics, legally wrong no way. I bet you 1000 to 1 he has no partake in any drug use either. Went to his online store and they do sell drug tests and such. Why the hell can't you clean your body??? I don't care if your an airline pilot or ballerina, there have been times when I have been at a party and there was pot smoking. As I usually leave the room or premises there is a good chance the second hand smoke may affect a drug test. Did you know there is cocaine traces on 90% of money bills? Nope you didn't, see here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18obcoke.html

This is a blatant "Make An Example Out Of Him" example. I have been in this business for 20+ years and our constitutional rights are chit on every day. If he was a drug user which I doubt then for god sakes make a better drug test not put this guy out to pasture.

And to NOSTEP you obviously wear your uniform with pride but have no intellectual insight. You really think there are stoners in the cockpits?? The wool is heavily pulled over your eye lids. There all false positives all the time, maybe not in the airline genre but there are so many things that cause false positives.

See here:
False Positives on Drug Tests

I side with the pilot on this one.

AKASHA

False-positives do exist and are a very real threat. There has been plenty research done, plenty has been written on the subject. Many drug-testing procedures ask you to list any medications you may be taking. This is because of the risk of creating a false-positive. There are other causes as unitedpilot points out in above post. A false-positive is not Sharp's creation as you imply.

Also, they are many many products available designed to flush toxins from your system. Many supplements, such as Milk Thistle, naturally clean the liver, for example. Cranberries have been known to clear the urinary tract and so on. There is a large market for cleansing products which have nothing to do with drug testing. There are also body-cleansing diets, such as the lemon diet and other fasts. Toxins in the body are known causes of disease. In fact, anything organic is a hot item today for this very reason. People are searching for ways to live longer and staying healthy by reducing toxins in the body. Nothing voodoo about it.

DeadHead

Maybe there is a legitimate marketplace for the items he is selling, however it tip toes around the notion of ensuring a clean drug test by cleansing the body. Like it or not, it implies a method that will positively influence the results of a federally mandated drug test.

It is the equivalent of an individual creating a plastic handgun that is said to be made from biodegradable materials while being lightweight and easier to shoot. I would bet the TSA would REALLY be interested in such a device, and rightfully so.

There a certain things in life people should not tip toe around, and this pilot should have known better regardless of when he got involved his company.

Ewfflyer

Anyone remember the Duke rape case? There was a DA that was so determined to get his case he ruined tons of lives, for nothing. There are plenty in the power positions that want to have "their big case" that everyone can associate to.

I don't know the facts, so I can't judge on either side, but it wouldn't be the first time someone with a law-degree really thought they had someone, and had just enough power to ruin their lives just to get a plea. And also not the first time someone has done something illegal and maybe gotten away with just a slap on the wrist.

Personally, I think there are bigger problems to solve, and just shows you how much of a waste the overall system is. What good has come of this result?

unitedpilot

[quote=DeadHead;805780]Like it or not, it implies a method that will positively influence the results of a federally mandated drug test.
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Unless the website was www.DearAirlinePilotBeatYourFederallyMandatedDrugT est.com then you as I said are uneducated on our privacy laws. I guess our 5th and 6th amendment rights are no good right?? See you don't even know what they are because your prestiguous "Ailrine Pilot" title is what matters. Get off your high horse and down to what is really illegal here to constitute this misdeameanor or felony charge whatever it is. How can someone sell a drug test drink to pilots right????? That is everyone's first response. We don't even know if he sold it to even one pilot do we?

Please spare me your banter. If he was a drug user or actually sold to pilots then this will be revealed. Have you seen his guys web site?? Well I have and I truly think this was purely a selective prosecution and have no idea who this dude is. Chit he probably jump seated with me today and I would probably give him a tighter handshake rather than a shrug on my shoulders.
His airline career is now in the chitter forever basically as well as his reputation if he had any. This whole story smells like chit.

I side with the pilot.

USMCFLYR

This is the most popular defense (tied with "it was in the Brownies" my cousin made) of every young Marine and Sailor that comes to NJP for a popped drug test. Second hand smoke is not going to cause a pop. I've seen the tests before, I've talked personally with the docs and the people that make and do the tests, and I've had personal experience with producing the evidence to show that said young Marine/Sailor could not/did not inhale enough second hand smoke to pop on the P-test.
I'll side with the docs and scientists on this one.

USMCFLYR

NoStep

Well, "Unitedpilot", you obviously missed the sarcasm in some of my remarks. But since you brought up intellect...

It's intellectually dishonest to sell drug test kits and a "cleansing" product on a website with a double-entendre of "urine", (i.e. www.yourintheclear.com). Even Mr. Sharp admits how that appears.
It's similar to head shops selling "tobacco" bongs. Not illegal, but everyone knows what they're used for.

I've also been kicking around the airline business for 20+ years, and only know of 1 positive drug test...and it wasn't a false-positive, (a flight attendant who had problems). How many are you aware of? (I agree, even 1 false-positive is too many when it destroys a person's life) That's a pretty good track record, and allowing split samples (if you can pee that much) manages the risk of false-positive.

He either doesn't know at all what impression his products and websites imply, or he's got a serious lack of judgement, given his position at a 121 carrier.

Agree to disagree...