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A Squared 12-31-2018 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Castle Bravo (Post 2734411)
So you post on APC that flying is bad for the environment? Did I get that right?
Doosh. TOTD.


For future reference, if you find yourself having to put words in a poster's mouth which they didn't actually say, in order to find a justification for calling them names, you're the problem in that scenario.

Packrat 12-31-2018 03:49 PM

You obviously need to spend some quality time with F/As discussing what they are responsible for in back. One of the things they do while boarding is mentally choosing people who they think would be Able Bodied Passengers (ABPs) in case they need assistance.

By IDing yourself to them they know they have at least one TRAINED ABP they can rely on. Do I really need to hook up with an F/A I'll never see again? Nope. I'll leave that for you Tinder browsing millennials out there.

OOfff 12-31-2018 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Castle Bravo (Post 2734471)
You should also go to an NRA convention and tell them that guns are bad for people.
Or a big car show and say that car accidents kill people.

Instead of complaining about fuel burn rates on APC, why don't you write an email to the CSAF and dime out your USAF "brethren" who are so cruel to the environment. In fact, write your Congressmen and tell them your Wing needs less of a fuel budget for the year so you can fly Best Endurance everywhere you go. Tell 'em it is better for the Environment...

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Adlerdriver 12-31-2018 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 2734486)
Did you know that your cleared mach can be amended, just like any other element of a clearance?

Really? :rolleyes: gee thanks.
The post I responded to indicated the choice to speed up on the NATS was made "because nobody is stopping them" - not as result of an amended clearance or request to change speed.

flensr 12-31-2018 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2734360)
How about they're violating their oceanic clearance by not flying the cleared mach number.....it ain't optional.

The response to that statement is usually "make way, superpower coming through..." Not saying it's right, just that's how it is.

And, that's speaking as a guy who unwittingly flew non-RVSM military fighter aircraft up in RVSM altitudes for years without realizing how many hoops ATC had to jump through to clear everyone out of my way. It was pretty much like requesting a 4k block altitude and 10nm ring around my plane, coast to coast. Whoops. Nobody told us that's how it was, and I didn't realize how effed up it was until a decade later. Sorry guys... "make way, superpower coming through". Oops.

MelT 12-31-2018 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2734491)
You obviously need to spend some quality time with F/As discussing what they are responsible for in back. One of the things they do while boarding is mentally choosing people who they think would be Able Bodied Passengers (ABPs) in case they need assistance.

By IDing yourself to them they know they have at least one TRAINED ABP they can rely on.
Do I really need to hook up with an F/A I'll never see again? Nope. I'll leave that for you Tinder browsing millennials out there.

Keep believing that Walter :rolleyes:

Adlerdriver 12-31-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2734505)
And, that's speaking as a guy who unwittingly flew non-RVSM military fighter aircraft up in RVSM altitudes for years without realizing how many hoops ATC had to jump through to clear everyone out of my way. It was pretty much like requesting a 4k block altitude and 10nm ring around my plane, coast to coast.

You don't control how your fighter is equipped by Uncle Sam. If you need to get from A to B without a tanker, what choice do you have? Go to FL450, get direct and I'll bet no one will even know your were there.

flensr 12-31-2018 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2734512)
You don't control how your fighter is equipped by Uncle Sam. If you need to get from A to B without a tanker, what choice do you have? Go to FL450, get direct and I'll bet no one will even know your were there.

Yea, and that's how we approached the issue. Still, if there is a way to get the job done with less interference/impact on civilian and commercial traffic, we were usually willing to tread lightly. We even usually had an FAA/ATC liaison officer just to help make sure we weren't doing something during day to day ops that really impacted civilian ATC.

But again yes, mission accomplishment was the first priority and if we weren't equipped to do the mission in a way that was ATC friendly, that wasn't our problem. Superpower, coming through.

m3113n1a1 12-31-2018 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2734491)
You obviously need to spend some quality time with F/As discussing what they are responsible for in back. One of the things they do while boarding is mentally choosing people who they think would be Able Bodied Passengers (ABPs) in case they need assistance.

By IDing yourself to them they know they have at least one TRAINED ABP they can rely on. Do I really need to hook up with an F/A I'll never see again? Nope. I'll leave that for you Tinder browsing millennials out there.

Quality time with FAs 😏😏

flensr 12-31-2018 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2734519)
Quality time with FAs 😏😏

Should a leg or two sitting in an FA jumpseat be a mandatory part of training? The few times I've done that have been educational...


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