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Old 01-19-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier View Post
No, you win TOTD for feeling like you need to be cool and say “short of” knowing full well the controller has to hear the correct verbiage or make you say it again. It just astonishes me when I hear you clowns unable to accomplish that simple task.
Lol. And where in my post did you see that I say that? I’m just saying some controllers want to hear the proper verbiage and others tend to let certain things slide
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier View Post
No, you win TOTD for feeling like you need to be cool and say “short of” knowing full well the controller has to hear the correct verbiage or make you say it again. It just astonishes me when I hear you clowns unable to accomplish that simple task.
Thank you.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 123494 View Post
Lol. And where in my post did you see that I say that? I’m just saying some controllers want to hear the proper verbiage and others tend to let certain things slide
They are REQUIRED to hear the proper verbiage. It’s a hot item to try to prevent runway incursions. The ones that “let it slide” are putting themselves at risk by doing so. If there is a runway incursion, and they didn’t require the proper hold short verbiage on the tape, guess who gets hammered?

Why a crew would put them in that position baffles me. And why you would call one of them a “tool” for doing their job is just weird
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier View Post
They are REQUIRED to hear the proper verbiage. It’s a hot item to try to prevent runway incursions. The ones that “let it slide” are putting themselves at risk by doing so. If there is a runway incursion, and they didn’t require the proper hold short verbiage on the tape, guess who gets hammered?
Agreed.

Why a crew would put them in that position baffles me. And why you would call one of them a “tool” for doing their job is just weird
He didn't call anyone a tool, he said the situation was similar to the "American Airlines XXXX" video already under discussion, where both the pilot and the controller were called tools by different commenters.

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That aside, there's nothing baffling about why a pilot would shorten a call - common laziness, and the desire for shorter transmissions on a busy frequency. Standard stuff. And I can identify with both. Communications (as well as most aspects of flying operations, really) are in a constant state of backslide into casualness and laziness, and it takes discipline to maintain the required standards.

However, once reminded of the requirement of something that may have fallen by the wayside, digging in your heels and laying the blame for the disagreement on the guy who's doing his job, is only a product of rank immaturity. (general "you," not directed at your post)

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Old 01-19-2019, 03:20 PM
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From FAA ORDER JO 7110.65X. This should put the matter of RT procedures to bed.

2−4−3. PILOT ACKNOWLEDGMENT/READ BACK

Ensure pilots acknowledge all Air Traffic Clearances and A TC Instructions. When a pilot reads back an Air Traffic Clearance or ATC Instruction:

a. Ensure that items read back are correct.

b. Ensure the read back of hold short instructions, whether a part of taxi instructions or a LAHSO clearance.

c. Ensure pilots use call signs and/or registration numbers in any read back acknowledging an Air Traffic Clearance or ATC Instruction.

NOTE− 1. ATC Clearance/Instruction Read Back guidance for pilots in the AIM states: a. Although pilots should read back the “numbers,” unless otherwise required by procedure or controller request,
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
The controller was being a dick. No need to throw in there good job champ.
The controller was just doing his job.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
The controller was just doing his job.
The "good job champ" was not part of his job.
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet View Post
I’ll just say this, I’ve been corrected by ATC in ATL more in my career than probably all of the other airports I’ve operated into combined. I don’t know why that is, sometimes I feel like they’re splitting hairs with the things I’ve been told to repeat. They’re not wrong with the corrections, just one of those places that doesn’t let anything slide no matter what the circumstance.
Yet they’ll ask for “callsigns only” crossing multiple aircraft at once. Never been a fan of that one.

And for those saying the “champ” comment was uncalled for; was that the controller saying that or another pilot? The same guys meowing on guard tend to throw BS into #1 from time to time.
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
The controller was just doing his job.
Where is “ground point nine” in the pilot -controller glossary. The AA guy was a tool but so was the controller.
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
The controller was just doing his job.
The controller didn’t not need to say good job champ. No way about it. If he wants proper verbiage I would have asked him what .9 meant.
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