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01-12-2019 | 06:30 AM
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He may have a point after all.
I’ve never seen wing ice in Las Vegas or any climate that wasn’t humid. If it was raining that day maybe. Unsure what the weather was.
Even so unless SOPs forced me to I wouldn’t deice the tail too.
So it could be a crew that did the wrong thing or the right thing. Not enough info to blame either party IMO.
I’ve never seen wing ice in Las Vegas or any climate that wasn’t humid. If it was raining that day maybe. Unsure what the weather was.
Even so unless SOPs forced me to I wouldn’t deice the tail too.
So it could be a crew that did the wrong thing or the right thing. Not enough info to blame either party IMO.
01-12-2019 | 06:44 AM
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Even though LAS is in the desert it does get humid there, especially this time of year. Yesterday, for instance, the humidity was 45%. Unusual for a desert environment, but that's enough to form cold fuel frost.
01-12-2019 | 09:01 AM
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Some posts from new members are on "auot hold" until a mod sees and releases them. Some algorithm.
They *might* have had frost from the night before. Or dew that looked like frost (if it's a NB or bigger I'm not going to get a ladder and crawl around the top of the wing doing a tactile check). Keep in mind that a cell-phone pic of something that looks like frost could generate media interest and an annoying company/FAA investigation... got to respect the optics these days.
Or they might have been padding their block time, that's an old trick if the company is screwing over labor. Or they might have been just trying to stick it to the man (de-ice ain't cheap... ).
They *might* have had frost from the night before. Or dew that looked like frost (if it's a NB or bigger I'm not going to get a ladder and crawl around the top of the wing doing a tactile check). Keep in mind that a cell-phone pic of something that looks like frost could generate media interest and an annoying company/FAA investigation... got to respect the optics these days.
Or they might have been padding their block time, that's an old trick if the company is screwing over labor. Or they might have been just trying to stick it to the man (de-ice ain't cheap... ).
I vote you "Tool Of The Day"
01-12-2019 | 10:06 AM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
They *might* have had frost from the night before. Or dew that looked like frost (if it's a NB or bigger I'm not going to get a ladder and crawl around the top of the wing doing a tactile check). Keep in mind that a cell-phone pic of something that looks like frost could generate media interest and an annoying company/FAA investigation... got to respect the optics these days.
Or they might have been padding their block time, that's an old trick if the company is screwing over labor. Or they might have been just trying to stick it to the man (de-ice ain't cheap... ).
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01-12-2019 | 03:12 PM
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After a few hours at cruise the jet would cold soak. It was common to have ice on the upper surface of the wings. Per SOP... transfer cold wing fuel to the center tank then put warm fuel (from the bowser) into the wing. Ice turns to water, of course. However tactile checks were always accomplished I/A/W SOPs... with ladder and all and no mobile phone pictures. A back pack, which I referred to the Round-up weed killer pump, containing de-ice fluid would be used de-ice the upper surface of the wing.
01-12-2019 | 06:01 PM
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All of my examples are from personal experience or observation, including a carpet dance for not de-icing a plane covered in dew (reported by a busybody pax)... I won that one since the plane was RON (no cold soak) and the temps never got anywhere near below 40 that night per the METARs. And yes I've seen people de-ice with the slimmest excuse to pad the block, and do it because they were just mad at the company.
01-13-2019 | 10:38 AM
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I vote for the pax who told one of our FA’s that he’s a Navy fighter pilot and wanted to ask us if our wing anti ice was on. He was concerned about icing as he had been flying in the same area the day before and accumulated ice. This was in climb out above 25,000 and we got called by the lead who conveyed his concerns. Thanks Maverick for your PIREP and concern.
01-13-2019 | 11:05 AM
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I vote for the pax who told one of our FA’s that he’s a Navy fighter pilot and wanted to ask us if our wing anti ice was on. He was concerned about icing as he had been flying in the same area the day before and accumulated ice. This was in climb out above 25,000 and we got called by the lead who conveyed his concerns. Thanks Maverick for your PIREP and concern.
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