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Old 12-31-2018, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
How about they're violating their oceanic clearance by not flying the cleared mach number.....it ain't optional.
The response to that statement is usually "make way, superpower coming through..." Not saying it's right, just that's how it is.

And, that's speaking as a guy who unwittingly flew non-RVSM military fighter aircraft up in RVSM altitudes for years without realizing how many hoops ATC had to jump through to clear everyone out of my way. It was pretty much like requesting a 4k block altitude and 10nm ring around my plane, coast to coast. Whoops. Nobody told us that's how it was, and I didn't realize how effed up it was until a decade later. Sorry guys... "make way, superpower coming through". Oops.
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Old 12-31-2018, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
You obviously need to spend some quality time with F/As discussing what they are responsible for in back. One of the things they do while boarding is mentally choosing people who they think would be Able Bodied Passengers (ABPs) in case they need assistance.

By IDing yourself to them they know they have at least one TRAINED ABP they can rely on.
Do I really need to hook up with an F/A I'll never see again? Nope. I'll leave that for you Tinder browsing millennials out there.
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Old 12-31-2018, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr View Post
And, that's speaking as a guy who unwittingly flew non-RVSM military fighter aircraft up in RVSM altitudes for years without realizing how many hoops ATC had to jump through to clear everyone out of my way. It was pretty much like requesting a 4k block altitude and 10nm ring around my plane, coast to coast.
You don't control how your fighter is equipped by Uncle Sam. If you need to get from A to B without a tanker, what choice do you have? Go to FL450, get direct and I'll bet no one will even know your were there.
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Old 12-31-2018, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
You don't control how your fighter is equipped by Uncle Sam. If you need to get from A to B without a tanker, what choice do you have? Go to FL450, get direct and I'll bet no one will even know your were there.
Yea, and that's how we approached the issue. Still, if there is a way to get the job done with less interference/impact on civilian and commercial traffic, we were usually willing to tread lightly. We even usually had an FAA/ATC liaison officer just to help make sure we weren't doing something during day to day ops that really impacted civilian ATC.

But again yes, mission accomplishment was the first priority and if we weren't equipped to do the mission in a way that was ATC friendly, that wasn't our problem. Superpower, coming through.
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Old 12-31-2018, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
You obviously need to spend some quality time with F/As discussing what they are responsible for in back. One of the things they do while boarding is mentally choosing people who they think would be Able Bodied Passengers (ABPs) in case they need assistance.

By IDing yourself to them they know they have at least one TRAINED ABP they can rely on. Do I really need to hook up with an F/A I'll never see again? Nope. I'll leave that for you Tinder browsing millennials out there.
Quality time with FAs 😏😏
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Old 12-31-2018, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 View Post
Quality time with FAs 😏😏
Should a leg or two sitting in an FA jumpseat be a mandatory part of training? The few times I've done that have been educational...
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr View Post
Should a leg or two sitting in an FA jumpseat be a mandatory part of training? The few times I've done that have been educational...
Perhaps just giving a Shiite what your crew is doing and going through in the back would suffice. I guess that's too much to ask for the kids populating the regionals or are getting hired by the majors at 26.

Maturity is a wonderful thing. Someday they'll have it.
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
I'm a Delta gold and travel on Company paid tickets. Even so, I always check in with the Captain (usually before he gets in the jet) just to let him know there's a qualified ABP in the back. I also let the F/As know my seat assignment in case they need any assistance.
I don't know if most pilots are "able-bodied."
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:39 PM
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That escalated quickly. I really think your comparisons are a bit of a stretch. I opined that to needlessly waste tax payer dollars while exascerbating our impact on the environment for no operational purpose is a foolish thing to do. Not really sure how that is in any way controversial. I also take umbrage to your insinuation that I would “dime” out my Air Force buddies. Maybe I am totally off base here? Only been at a major for less than a year so I’ll defer to my elders if I’m on the wrong side of this whole debate. Happy New Years!
My neighbor is a Reaper pilot. I was talking to him at a neighborhood Christmas party a few weeks ago and was fascinated by his stories. I talked to him all night. Most of what he does is classified but he could talk in generalities about his missions and his job. He is a former Air Wisconsin Pilot. Anyway, he recommended a couple books about the role of Unmanned aircraft in today’s military and the first book he recommended was “Kill Chain”. I thought it’d be about drone sorties and give me a look into the life of a drone pilots life. Instead, 80% of the book pretty much talked about all the wasteful military spending, funding unfulfilled promises from government contractors like Northrop, Lockheed, and smaller unheard of companies that make Billions of dollars off of the US Military War machine. I have a huge amount of respect for all of you who’ve served in the Military, and wish my timing had been better so I could have served too (graduated college in ‘93), but there is so much wasteful spending on projects that don’t do what they were intended to, I don’t think $12000 worth of fuel is going to move the needle on my tax situation.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:23 AM
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Oh no not the environment.

Saving 15 mins is worth it.
I fly short legs. Yet often I fly with guys who fly right at the limit. It saves us at most 2-3 minutes on our routes. And it uses a ton of fuel. The biggest negative to me though is that it limits options on the arrival end for the unexpected. That “extra” fuel can make all the difference in the world. Why waste it to save 3 minutes.
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