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Old 12-04-2018, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape View Post
CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
It wasn't passive aggressive in intent, it's just getting the job done while going with the flow so we can move on, as best I can. But some reflection on this thread has led me to think the better way is to let it wait until the CA finishes talking with the push crew (despite that the next instant they'll be telling us we're clear to start the engines, and he'll probably be getting huffy at me not starting the engines right away)

Originally Posted by labbats View Post
When I was an FO I felt that my job was to make the Captain’s job as easy as possible.
While that's a great principle overall, it only works if the Captain is trying to do the job right. Those who aren't (the easiest possible for them is if the FO keeps his mouth shut and just goes along with whatever the CA has planned, or not planned) put the FO in a forced choice between making the Captain's job easy, vs. doing his own job right.

Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
I don't get any pleasure out of it either, despite how I'm being painted here. When he makes a mistake that's an obvious oversight (like we all make, being human) I simply call it out, he thanks me, and we all move on with our happy selves. If, instead, it's something knowingly against SOP (usually out of laziness or hurry) then I feel it as a burden on myself to have to choose to let the flight keep operating that way, or point out the obvious like a schoolmarm nag. I end up letting a lot of the minor things slide, and pick my battles for the big ticket items. It's tiring and wish I wasn't put in this position! If I was the way you describe, I'd be gleefully awaiting these moments instead.
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Old 12-05-2018, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by labbats View Post
When I was an FO I felt that my job was to make the Captain’s job as easy as possible.

Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
This too ^^^^^
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:18 AM
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TOTD: everyone trying to measure the length of their CRM skills ITT
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
TOTD: everyone trying to measure the length of their CRM skills ITT
Mine are bigger.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:53 AM
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Mine are bigger.
Mine might not be as long, but definitely has more girth.
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:10 AM
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It's all in how you use it
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:12 AM
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How about y'all show some DAMCLAS in this thread
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:46 AM
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Accident report: “Crewmembers were reciting acronyms when the aircraft hit the ground.”
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Accident report: “Crewmembers were reciting acronyms when the aircraft hit the ground.”
The Children of the Magenta. It is a great 25 minute video, especially for those starting out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pN41LvuSz10
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:16 PM
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"Hey Chicago, we see that Denver's landing South...can we expect to change to the Kaile arrival with you?!
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