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11-28-2018, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape
Heck yeah, we are so broke at Spirit, we can’t even pay attention to readbacks.
You would love it, remind you of your Colgan days
You would love it, remind you of your Colgan days
11-28-2018, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Was that suppose to be a good comeback?
I made a joke about us Spirit pilots being so poor, we can’t pay attention. Low pay, like Colgan. It’s called being able to laugh at yourself. You can’t laugh at yourself and Colgan?
Not everything needs to be a back and forth on these forums where people try to “comeback” at people.
12-01-2018, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
Every second absolutely does not count, but I can assure you many accidents can be traced to rushing.
12-01-2018, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
Right. I will never forget that day when we lost those 500 poor souls to a misread pushback clearance. Such a tragedy.
12-01-2018, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FollowMe
Behavior patterns are real, if you cut corners or rush in one area you are more likely to do it in others as well.
You're reminding me of every time a CA talks over me doing the pushback checklist (usually, which I'm doing without him calling for it because he just straight up told the crew to push), or reads back his own checklist responses without looking at the indications, or does this nervous twitch when we're holding short of somewhere and every 20 seconds he lets go of the brakes and we roll forward a little, or pushes "execute" on the FMS without me confirming, etc.
Why isn't it a surprise all these things usually come in a package?
12-01-2018, 05:31 PM
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If both pilots hear the pushback clearance, why should the CA have to wait on the FO to read it back and brief him on it, before he tells the tug crew? It’s not that complicated, nor is it a high risk event.
There’s a diffference between rushing and working fast. That being said, not everyone can function at the same pace. Apparently some can’t even get off the gate without feeling insulted by their coworkers.
...and yes when you are dealing with ATC, every second does count. If you don’t believe so, go fly multiple legs to busy airports with flow control, and see how well that out works for ya.
There’s a diffference between rushing and working fast. That being said, not everyone can function at the same pace. Apparently some can’t even get off the gate without feeling insulted by their coworkers.
...and yes when you are dealing with ATC, every second does count. If you don’t believe so, go fly multiple legs to busy airports with flow control, and see how well that out works for ya.
12-01-2018, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FollowMe
Behavior patterns are real, if you cut corners or rush in one area you are more likely to do it in others as well.
12-01-2018, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
A thousand times this.
You're reminding me of every time a CA talks over me doing the pushback checklist (usually, which I'm doing without him calling for it because he just straight up told the crew to push), or reads back his own checklist responses without looking at the indications, or does this nervous twitch when we're holding short of somewhere and every 20 seconds he lets go of the brakes and we roll forward a little, or pushes "execute" on the FMS without me confirming, etc.
Why isn't it a surprise all these things usually come in a package?
You're reminding me of every time a CA talks over me doing the pushback checklist (usually, which I'm doing without him calling for it because he just straight up told the crew to push), or reads back his own checklist responses without looking at the indications, or does this nervous twitch when we're holding short of somewhere and every 20 seconds he lets go of the brakes and we roll forward a little, or pushes "execute" on the FMS without me confirming, etc.
Why isn't it a surprise all these things usually come in a package?
You get sad when the captain presses buttons without your permission?
You sound like a joy to fly with, I bet you'll be a great captain
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