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12-03-2018 | 06:21 PM
All is fine at .79
Joined: Sep 2016
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From: Paahlot
Seems you’re new to the airline world, remember this works both ways.
CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
It’s not being passive aggressive by 1)complaining on a forum 2) reading it during the push to “get it on the CVR” or 3)you calling to “stop push” on your own.
If I forgot a checklist and the FO said nothing but got on the intercom to “stop push” to the tug, you have failed as have I.
CRM exists for a reason. It’s not there to sulk and complain from the right seat about how “old and non compliant” the CA is and not for him to sit and grumble about “these new FOs trying to run the show”. It’s to save your lives and the pax in the back. Decades of CRM saving lives backs this up.
Time to maybe take a step back and ask what you can do better as an FO to promote healthy CRM
CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
It’s not being passive aggressive by 1)complaining on a forum 2) reading it during the push to “get it on the CVR” or 3)you calling to “stop push” on your own.
If I forgot a checklist and the FO said nothing but got on the intercom to “stop push” to the tug, you have failed as have I.
CRM exists for a reason. It’s not there to sulk and complain from the right seat about how “old and non compliant” the CA is and not for him to sit and grumble about “these new FOs trying to run the show”. It’s to save your lives and the pax in the back. Decades of CRM saving lives backs this up.
Time to maybe take a step back and ask what you can do better as an FO to promote healthy CRM
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12-04-2018 | 03:17 AM
Banned
Joined: Aug 2018
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Seems you’re new to the airline world, remember this works both ways.
CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
It’s not being passive aggressive by 1)complaining on a forum 2) reading it during the push to “get it on the CVR” or 3)you calling to “stop push” on your own.
If I forgot a checklist and the FO said nothing but got on the intercom to “stop push” to the tug, you have failed as have I.
CRM exists for a reason. It’s not there to sulk and complain from the right seat about how “old and non compliant” the CA is and not for him to sit and grumble about “these new FOs trying to run the show”. It’s to save your lives and the pax in the back. Decades of CRM saving lives backs this up.
Time to maybe take a step back and ask what you can do better as an FO to promote healthy CRM
CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
It’s not being passive aggressive by 1)complaining on a forum 2) reading it during the push to “get it on the CVR” or 3)you calling to “stop push” on your own.
If I forgot a checklist and the FO said nothing but got on the intercom to “stop push” to the tug, you have failed as have I.
CRM exists for a reason. It’s not there to sulk and complain from the right seat about how “old and non compliant” the CA is and not for him to sit and grumble about “these new FOs trying to run the show”. It’s to save your lives and the pax in the back. Decades of CRM saving lives backs this up.
Time to maybe take a step back and ask what you can do better as an FO to promote healthy CRM
These younger group of millennial FOs I've flown with over the past couple of years are like a Star Trek convention. Everybody wants to be a captain. Very irritating and a challenge to good CRM.
12-04-2018 | 06:24 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: A320
When I was an FO I felt that my job was to make the Captain’s job as easy as possible.
Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
12-04-2018 | 09:49 AM
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12-04-2018 | 07:45 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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CRM is a two way street. So passive aggressively reading the before push checklist during the push is just as bad as not doing it at all. It’s to catch things before the push, not during. So if you are in a position where you are not able to compete this checklist, for whatever reason, you need to ask the CA to hold pushes in the future to do this checklist.
Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
12-05-2018 | 12:57 AM
All is fine at .79
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 4,490
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From: Paahlot
When I was an FO I felt that my job was to make the Captain’s job as easy as possible.
Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
Most FOs do a good job but in regards to the complaints above most can be traced to an attitude of anxiously waiting to correct me as the Captain instead of using your knowledge to help me. I get zero joy out of pointing out errors of FOs and usually wait out mistakes so they can figure them out. If it isn’t unsafe or against SOPs let it ride.
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