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Old 05-08-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
No but failing on NDB arcs as a teenager 20 years ago does...

Letís see... widebody check, tpic looks good, 5 initials without a hiccup, nice job on the GPA, UH OHH... what is this? A failed check ride in a Cherokee during the Clinton administration!?! What do you have to say for yourself?


If thatís the only hiccup then you should have no problem.


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Old 05-08-2019, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by echelon View Post
Well said. I think we (as a profession, not me) hide behind hats and double breasted jackets to distract from the fact that our job is doable by any retard with the ability to pay for training.
Judging by the number of people who start out in flight training, and who eventually make it all the way to a top-tier job, I'd say your characterization of our profession and the talent required is way off the mark.

There are quite a few who don't make it to a dream job -- and it's not all luck.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK View Post
You say that, but in the U.S. the Majors are still hiring based on how much time you spend down at the local soup kitchen and what your GPA was 20 years ago and not on your flying experience.
The flying experience is a requisite. But it's a minimum. Seriously, what's the difference between 6,000 hrs and 8,000 hrs in terms of what an applicant brings to the table?

Working in management, volunteering, academics -- that's what sets applicants apart. Not hanging out in the left seat year after year after year doing nothing else.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by echelon View Post
Well said. I think we (as a profession, not me) hide behind hats and double breasted jackets to distract from the fact that our job is doable by any retard with the ability to pay for training.
I think you forget that everyone you work with has successfully completed a lot of training and has a lot of experience. There are plenty of pilots that donít make it to this level. You just donít see them because of where you are. A lot goes into getting where we are, and it takes knowledge, drive, perseverance, and a work ethic to get qualified. You are trusted by how many hundreds of people on your plane each day you fly. Donít forget how many are on the other aircraft in your vicinity, under the routes you fly, and waiting at home for your passengers. This is not a ďany one can do thisĒ type of job, and you are doing yourself and the rest of us a disservice by saying so. I think you deserve a little more self respect.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post

Working in management, volunteering, academics -- that's what sets applicants apart. .
And AGAIN....none of that required to be able to do this job..sufficiently safe.
Itís all just HR mumbo jumbo and make-me-feel-good corporate branding.

ďThank you for sharing your travel experience with usĒ

Oh please...
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
And AGAIN....none of that required to be able to do this job..sufficiently safe.

Itís all just HR mumbo jumbo and make-me-feel-good corporate branding.



ďThank you for sharing your travel experience with usĒ



Oh please...


While true, itís their game. You either play or you donít. If you choose the latter you waste a lot of your income and seniority potential.


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Old 05-08-2019, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
And AGAIN....none of that required to be able to do this job..sufficiently safe.
It’s all just HR mumbo jumbo and make-me-feel-good corporate branding.

“Thank you for sharing your travel experience with us”

Oh please...
It's not about "sufficiently safe." It's about hiring a good employee who plays well with others and shares the same set of values. That's over and above being a good stick.

It's a way of narrowing the playing field.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
No one would bat an eye if an M.D. showed up for work wearing a backpack in scrubs riding a bicycle. Has our profession become such a house of cards that we obsess about protecting the thin veneer of an outdated image?

I say wear your gel and backpack but know your stuff, have a clear head, be present, serve the customer, and be the absolute best professional you can be.

And if we had the same attention to detail and acceptable standards as the medical field today, the only safe place from commercial aviation would be under Cheyenne Mountain.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Our concentration of special cases at the big D is particularly with the boomers. I'll give you white vest guy. Goodness knows the story there.
And in a couple of decades there will be some young whippersnapper commenting that “our concentration of special cases is particularly with the millennials”

Now get off my lawn!!! I just bought a shiny set of white New Balance shoes I have stain green while I’m mowing!!!

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Working in management, volunteering, academics -- that's what sets applicants apart. Not hanging out in the left seat year after year after year doing nothing else.
True. But like all hiring metrics, it’s still subject to so many flaws. We’ve been doin this long enough to see a pilot hired that was an LCA, sim instructor, ACP/CP that was hired. Had a well rounded resume, but EVERYONE knew they were an A-hole.

And sadly, I’ve know more than a few that;

1) Lied about their volunteer time, or simply overplayed what they listed as volunteer work.

2) Stopped volunteering once they got the job, and have no shame in admitting it.

“It is what it is...”
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient View Post
Thatís when the $100 global entry fee is well worth it.

Iíve had the same happen to me, ďwait crew, global entry is firstĒ, ďBut good sir, for I too am, Global EntryĒ
Are you able to use your Global Entry as crew?
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