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Boomer 02-24-2014 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bluto (Post 1588910)
I'm pretty certain "Tool of Eternity" would be more doctrinally correct verbiage.

How about "Eternal Aviation Tool of the Simplest Kind"

http://www.parts4aircraft.com/Files/...er_large-1.JPG

lowapproach 02-24-2014 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1588322)
Not to be a contrarian, but once you earn a title you should be addressed by it.

http://images.wikia.com/seinfeld/ima...14/Bobcobb.jpg


Someone will get this...

Packrat 02-24-2014 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by lowapproach (Post 1589104)

I have to admit, that's funny, Bob.

At least he wears the uniform correctly. ;)

bbhnpd 02-25-2014 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 1588384)
Yes, I went through initial training and I now have a 757/767 type with no restrictions. I could be a captain, but I am a first officer because others got here first. When I make captain, it will be due to time. The title isn't merit based, therefore, it isn't "earned."

The hell it isn't "merit" based or earned. At my former airlines you DID have to pass a rather through proficiency exam, both by the FAA and the Company. I can't speak for whatever fly by night you worked for that handed out the 4th stripe when it was simply your turn.

You choose to remain a FO because you are apparently unwilling to demonstrate your merit.

SpeedyVagabond 02-25-2014 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1588416)
Some people are Captains. Some are fork lift drivers. I guess its all in the level of pride and professionalism they exhibit.

You can usually tell the difference by the way they wear their uniform.

Indeed. Too many forklift drivers although their ranks are small thank goodness.

CheapTrick 02-25-2014 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 1588384)
Yes, I went through initial training and I now have a 757/767 type with no restrictions. I could be a captain, but I am a first officer because others got here first. When I make captain, it will be due to time. The title isn't merit based, therefore, it isn't "earned."

Yep, this "wisdom" ****es me off a little too. At my large airline, time gets you the opportunity to apply for the 4th stripe. However, they do not give it away. You are going to have to get past the gatekeepers who diligently make sure you have the goods to sit in the left seat. It is earned even if you are so good that you make it look easy. You weren't born good. You worked to get good. That means you earned it.

FlyBoyd 02-25-2014 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1589485)
Yep, this "wisdom" ****es me off a little too. At my large airline, time gets you the opportunity to apply for the 4th stripe. However, they do not give it away. You are going to have to get past the gatekeepers who diligently make sure you have the goods to sit in the left seat. It is earned even if you are so good that you make it look easy. You weren't born good. You worked to get good. That means you earned it.

I'll walk back my post a bit as is seems to have come across wrong...especially my last sentence.

My intent was to say that getting the opportunity to be the captain takes time. The opportunity isn't anymore merit based than your qualifications to be FO. If you are able to hold captain after the latest bid and you bid it, you will be scheduled for training. The earning of that opportunity is the time you put in. Even if you are the most dangerous FO on property, if you are free and clear of any issues, you will go to training to be a captain. That is the earning and merit I was speaking to.

That being said, your progress through training and subsequent check ride are obviously based on knowledge and performance.

No attitude here gentlemen. I'm just pointing out the interaction of time/seniority and contractual entitlements as they relate to upgrading. I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous post.

CanoePilot 02-25-2014 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1589485)
Yep, this "wisdom" ****es me off a little too. At my large airline, time gets you the opportunity to apply for the 4th stripe. However, they do not give it away. You are going to have to get past the gatekeepers who diligently make sure you have the goods to sit in the left seat. It is earned even if you are so good that you make it look easy. You weren't born good. You worked to get good. That means you earned it.

Getting a type and upgrading isn't that difficult it's a 4 week crash course. We're not talking about OCS here, it's airline training.

Packrat 02-25-2014 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1589524)
Getting a type and upgrading isn't that difficult it's a 4 week crash course. We're not talking about OCS here, it's airline training.

You certainly can go buy a type rating. My airline had a guy who did just to move from the 727 panel to MD F/O. He still couldn't make it through the airline's F/O training. When the last 727 was gone, so was he.

"Captain" isn't earned? YGBSM.

surfnski 02-25-2014 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 1589481)
Indeed. Too many forklift drivers although their ranks are small thank goodness.

Saw an article in the WSJ about a forklift driver shortage:)


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