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ClarenceOver 02-23-2014 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1588322)
Not to be a contrarian, but once you earn a title you should be addressed by it. For instance, you don't call a Doctor "mister". A Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy has earned the right to be addressed as "Master Chief." A ship Captain is entitled to be referred to as "Captain". So is an airline Captain.

Now, you probably don't want to carry your Regional title when you move on to the Majors, but when you earn the fourth stripe at your current employer, you earn the right to be addressed as "Captain".

In the case of a scab like Mr. Green, that theory might not apply.

I call a doctor mister. I call a master chief petty officer by his name. I address a captain by his name. LOL i should start calling my dad captain because hes a captain at a major airline.

Packrat 02-23-2014 09:08 PM

Oh, I see. One level of lack of respect for everyone. How egalitarian of you. I'll go with the ALPA stylebook and address Captains as "Capt."

FlyBoyd 02-23-2014 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1588380)
You never went through initial training? You've never had a check ride? Or gone through recurrent? Or had a line check?

Not only is the title earned, its the ONLY one that has to be re-earned on a regular basis.

Yes, I went through initial training and I now have a 757/767 type with no restrictions. I could be a captain, but I am a first officer because others got here first. When I make captain, it will be due to time. The title isn't merit based, therefore, it isn't "earned."

ClarenceOver 02-23-2014 09:17 PM

Can i nominate packrat?

Packrat 02-23-2014 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1588385)
Can i nominate packrat?

Wow, who couldn't see that one coming. I guess that's what you get when you suggest an alternative to groupthink and the "kids" have no rational answer.

Well done, Clarence. You just nominated yourself.

CanoePilot 02-23-2014 09:20 PM

The uniform we wear is a costume and the "title" we have is also just for show. We arnt captains or "officers". These things were created by military pilots to make the transition better to civilian life in the 40s and 50s, the only title we have is "pilot". Some people need to check their egos at the door. This is just a job to collect a paycheck we're not saving lives or doing science. We have more in common with a fork lift operator than a doctor.

Packrat 02-23-2014 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Errbus (Post 1588339)
All of the examples you listed besides captain are governmentally issued, whether through the military or a accreditation board.


Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 1588384)
...I now have a 757/767 type with no restrictions....When I make captain, it will be due to time. The title isn't merit based, therefore, it isn't "earned."

Using the previous posters reasoning, your type rating is issued and certified by the FAA. There are ways you could go outside your current employer and legally fly a 757/767 TODAY in the left seat. That makes you a Captain even though you can't hold the job on your current seniority list.


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1588388)
The uniform we wear is a costume and the "title" we have is also just for show. We arnt captains...This is just a job to collect a paycheck we're not saving lives or doing science. We have more in common with a fork lifet operator than a doctor.

With your attitude, you will ALWAYS be just a bus driver. Most of us understand that we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands every leg while a Doctor only has one at a time.

You might be right though. You probably do have more in common with a fork lift driver. Your spelling and grammar are certainly congruent.

Denny Crane 02-23-2014 09:44 PM

We'll I guess I'm going to nominate myself because, for the most part, I agree with Packrat. I am in no way endorsing blowing ones horn by demanding to be addressed as "Captain." But the position itself demands some respect.

My father is a retired (1969) Navy captain who has never tried to demand respect because of it. He has many retired navy friends that are the same way. Out of respect for them I will address them by sir or their rank. Not one them asks or demands it but, IMO, they certainly deserve that respect. Now someone who DOES demand being called by their military rank is a complete tool but I believe they do have that right. They did earn it.

Denny

Denny Crane 02-23-2014 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1588388)
The uniform we wear is a costume and the "title" we have is also just for show. We arnt captains or "officers". These things were created by military pilots to make the transition better to civilian life in the 40s and 50s, the only title we have is "pilot". Some people need to check their egos at the door. This is just a job to collect a paycheck we're not saving lives or doing science. We have more in common with a fork lift operator than a doctor.

Gee, I always thought airline captains got their title because they were, well, captain of the ship. :rolleyes::eek:

Denny

Packrat 02-23-2014 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1588399)
But the position itself demands some respect....Now someone who DOES demand being called by their military rank is a complete tool but I believe they do have that right. They did earn it.

Denny

Completely agree. You may disagree vehemently with George Bush or Barak Obama, but they both should be addressed as "Mr. President." Same goes for John Boehner or Nancy Pelosi. They're entitled to be addressed as "Mr. Speaker" or "Madam Speaker."

Its merely good manners.


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