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07-02-2014 | 02:43 PM
#5551
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Agree, but whose fault is the college thing?
A copy/past of mine earlier:
Guess the #1 major for an 18 year old freshman entering college?
Undeclared. Not many students at 18 know what they want to do for the rest of their lives. And universities absolutely milk this! Not once do they say to the students, hey since you are taking a 100k debt to come here, this is a list of the degrees and the jobs + salary offers our students reported. Instead, counselors will tell you to explore yourself, take your time, and end up spending extra money with "general ed" courses which is a waste of time. Then they may get students to pursue degrees in basket weaving, poli sci, art history, etc. how many art history majors do you know with a job at age 22 in an art field? Not many, and certainly not enough to pay back the huge school debt. What should happen is sit down with the students and tell them where undergrads are getting jobs and with which degree. Tell them how many 4 year PoliSci students got jobs and how many biology degrees got jobs or pursued further education, job $ offers, etc.
But a college will never do that. They are a business and they have to fill ALL fields, not just the most successful and high paying ones. They need to fill the classes offered by basket weaving professors who are already tenured. In the end they need to get as many students into as many fields as possible, even if those degrees are as worthless as toilet paper. They don't care. Once you graduate at 22 (if you are lucky, many undecided at 18 end up graduating at 23-24), you are out of the college's hands and they bring in the next class to start the process over. When you leave, the college was paid in full. The loans you have are now going to haunt you for years and one can only hope you can land a job that allows you to pay back those loans quickly. These days, that just isn't happening. Since colleges and the work market can't provide that, there needs to be a *severe* adjustment downward on college tuition prices.
A copy/past of mine earlier:
Guess the #1 major for an 18 year old freshman entering college?
Undeclared. Not many students at 18 know what they want to do for the rest of their lives. And universities absolutely milk this! Not once do they say to the students, hey since you are taking a 100k debt to come here, this is a list of the degrees and the jobs + salary offers our students reported. Instead, counselors will tell you to explore yourself, take your time, and end up spending extra money with "general ed" courses which is a waste of time. Then they may get students to pursue degrees in basket weaving, poli sci, art history, etc. how many art history majors do you know with a job at age 22 in an art field? Not many, and certainly not enough to pay back the huge school debt. What should happen is sit down with the students and tell them where undergrads are getting jobs and with which degree. Tell them how many 4 year PoliSci students got jobs and how many biology degrees got jobs or pursued further education, job $ offers, etc.
But a college will never do that. They are a business and they have to fill ALL fields, not just the most successful and high paying ones. They need to fill the classes offered by basket weaving professors who are already tenured. In the end they need to get as many students into as many fields as possible, even if those degrees are as worthless as toilet paper. They don't care. Once you graduate at 22 (if you are lucky, many undecided at 18 end up graduating at 23-24), you are out of the college's hands and they bring in the next class to start the process over. When you leave, the college was paid in full. The loans you have are now going to haunt you for years and one can only hope you can land a job that allows you to pay back those loans quickly. These days, that just isn't happening. Since colleges and the work market can't provide that, there needs to be a *severe* adjustment downward on college tuition prices.
LOL college.......LOLOLOLOLOL
07-02-2014 | 03:43 PM
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07-03-2014 | 05:46 AM
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Btw is that a Spackler qoute at the bottom ?
07-03-2014 | 09:26 AM
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And the quote... actually I can't remember if it was verbatim, but he left no doubt as to his intent. I'll stick to it as being what he said
07-05-2014 | 07:25 PM
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They're not. This thread is entertaining; I'd rather not have to close it so please respect the rules. While the political arena doubtless provides fertile breeding ground for all manner of tools, we need to look elsewhere for APC TOTD candidates.
07-05-2014 | 09:17 PM
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That's a bit too broad of a brush. Its one thing to get into debates about abortion and religion or whatever, but a certain degree of politics is very relevant to many core aviation issues, and some of them are deeply political by nature. The NAI issue is extremely "political", as is the ImEx bank. So are strikes, the NMB, PEB's, FAA reauthorization acts, ATP minimums, next gen, flight and duty limits, PACs and even the recent SCOTUS decision on recess appointments to the NLRB, just to name a few.
Trying to scrub anything and everything "political" would be similar to China trying to erase Tiananmen Square from its history through cencorship. Not only is such an effort wrong, it will never work in the first place.
Trying to scrub anything and everything "political" would be similar to China trying to erase Tiananmen Square from its history through cencorship. Not only is such an effort wrong, it will never work in the first place.
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