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Old 04-13-2015, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Those guys did it right on their screw up, too! The moment they got into the gate, they were making all the phone calls and fessing up to what happened!
They don't have a hair on their a$$ unless they STILL made the commute home.

Point I'm getting at dude, is that people can live in glass houses if they choose. They can poke holes at other airlines screwups if they want.

NO AIRLINE is immune...........
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
They don't have a hair on their a$$ unless they STILL made the commute home.

Point I'm getting at dude, is that people can live in glass houses if they choose. They can poke holes at other airlines screwups if they want.

NO AIRLINE is immune...........
That is correct.

I still strongly disagree with WN's practice, as does virtually every other airline in the world.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:16 PM
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What 717 are you talking about?
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
As far as I know, the NTSB has not issued any final report. Please enlighten me if you are omnipotent and able to issue a snap judgement concerning accident causal factors long before the investigative body assigned by the U.S. government to make these determinations.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
As far as I know, the NTSB has not issued any final report. Please enlighten me if you are omnipotent and able to issue a snap judgement concerning accident causal factors long before the investigative body assigned by the U.S. government to make these determinations.
"Get down, gotta get down!" from the CA to the FO via the CVR ... changing the flaps to 40 below 1000 feet then grabbing the plane from the FO and slamming the plane into the runway might be clues to what will be focused on. Those have all been released.

By all means, keep living in denial!

I've got plenty of time in the 737 to know that via the video when the thrust is pulled back to idle at flaps 40 that the thing was going to come out of the sky. You should have enough pitch/power awareness as well.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
"Get down, gotta get down!".
Maybe she had the words to one or both Kool and the Gang songs in her head?
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Maybe she had the words to one or both Kool and the Gang songs in her head?
She also wanted my ramper friend to hand push up a broken jet bridge to the plane at his station. Stuck her head out of the open cockpit window yelling at them to get the jetbridge to the plane.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
She also wanted my ramper friend to hand push up a broken jet bridge to the plane at his station. Stuck her head out of the open cockpit window yelling at them to get the jetbridge to the plane.
I don't think that was ever in a 70's disco song.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I don't think that was ever in a 70's disco song.
It wasn't. That is the real tragedy.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
"Get down, gotta get down!" from the CA to the FO via the CVR ... changing the flaps to 40 below 1000 feet then grabbing the plane from the FO and slamming the plane into the runway might be clues to what will be focused on. Those have all been released.
When you made the statements you made concerning an unstable approach, no CVR data had been released. I chastised you for jumping to unverified conclusions with no evidence to support your claims other than a blurry and unsubstantiated video.

Stabilized approach criteria were actually met at the time the FOM requires them: 1000 feet above TDZE, aircraft on glide slope and speed, fully configured.

Why the Captain made the decision to take control of the aircraft and subsequently violate stabilized approach criteria is anyone's guess except yours, you obviosly have it all figured out long before the NTSB.
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