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Old 04-13-2015 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
Come on, really?

You honestly believe that a ramper brings up a potentially abnormal component of the aircraft and it is blown off?

The push back driver that is in direct communication with the crew is the one responsible for the walk around. That person directly communicates that the aircraft has been inspected and ready for pushback.
It happens plenty. "We'll take it back to BWI and take care of it there." Most of the rampers don't even bring stuff up, just let it go as is. Just because it's been inspected doesn't mean they know what they were looking at.

You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
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Old 04-13-2015 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
This is posted in satire/jest.

But imagine if you will, in something like a FOQA event/recorded data event review. And if, I SAY AGAIN IF there were cameras in the cockpit.

It's TOD in a B717. The auto throttles come creeping back. There's an objet perched NOT where it SHOULD be behind them. And, well, ya know..........

It's be one of those videos where the caption is "wait for it........wait for it.........BOOM"

Man, that would be a FUN video to watch. Probably the proverbial "Christmas tree" in the cockpit, some w-t-effery, etc.

Altitude is ALWAYS a pilots friend.....
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Old 04-13-2015 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
This is posted in satire/jest.

But imagine if you will, in something like a FOQA event/recorded data event review. And if, I SAY AGAIN IF there were cameras in the cockpit.

It's TOD in a B717. The auto throttles come creeping back. There's an objet perched NOT where it SHOULD be behind them. And, well, ya know..........

It's be one of those videos where the caption is "wait for it........wait for it.........BOOM"

Man, that would be a FUN video to watch. Probably the proverbial "Christmas tree" in the cockpit, some w-t-effery, etc.

Altitude is ALWAYS a pilots friend.....
Those guys did it right on their screw up, too! The moment they got into the gate, they were making all the phone calls and fessing up to what happened! Immediate improvements were made to the 717 cockpit as a result.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Those guys did it right on their screw up, too! The moment they got into the gate, they were making all the phone calls and fessing up to what happened!
They don't have a hair on their a$$ unless they STILL made the commute home.

Point I'm getting at dude, is that people can live in glass houses if they choose. They can poke holes at other airlines screwups if they want.

NO AIRLINE is immune...........
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
They don't have a hair on their a$$ unless they STILL made the commute home.

Point I'm getting at dude, is that people can live in glass houses if they choose. They can poke holes at other airlines screwups if they want.

NO AIRLINE is immune...........
That is correct.

I still strongly disagree with WN's practice, as does virtually every other airline in the world.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:16 PM
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What 717 are you talking about?
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
As far as I know, the NTSB has not issued any final report. Please enlighten me if you are omnipotent and able to issue a snap judgement concerning accident causal factors long before the investigative body assigned by the U.S. government to make these determinations.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
As far as I know, the NTSB has not issued any final report. Please enlighten me if you are omnipotent and able to issue a snap judgement concerning accident causal factors long before the investigative body assigned by the U.S. government to make these determinations.
"Get down, gotta get down!" from the CA to the FO via the CVR ... changing the flaps to 40 below 1000 feet then grabbing the plane from the FO and slamming the plane into the runway might be clues to what will be focused on. Those have all been released.

By all means, keep living in denial!

I've got plenty of time in the 737 to know that via the video when the thrust is pulled back to idle at flaps 40 that the thing was going to come out of the sky. You should have enough pitch/power awareness as well.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
"Get down, gotta get down!".
Maybe she had the words to one or both Kool and the Gang songs in her head?
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Maybe she had the words to one or both Kool and the Gang songs in her head?
She also wanted my ramper friend to hand push up a broken jet bridge to the plane at his station. Stuck her head out of the open cockpit window yelling at them to get the jetbridge to the plane.
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