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Old 04-13-2015, 08:29 PM
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If they can't get their lazy butts outta the cargo bins when it's time to go, how motivated are they going to be to do a walk around?
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
When the F.O. goes out and conducts a walk around after arriving at the aircraft or on a thru flight, I don't think they are "just going through the motions", there is just so much that hasn't happened yet.

The F.O. walks around ignoring open doors, open access panels, attached ground power cords and attached fueling equipment.

The ground crew member at SWA completes the walk around after all aircraft servicing is complete. During this later time frame he/she is able to assess that no damage was inflicted by vehicles in very close proximity to the aircraft and all service doors and access panels are secure before push back begins. It really does work better from a practicality standpoint.
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu View Post
When the F.O. goes out and conducts a walk around after arriving at the aircraft or on a thru flight, I don't think they are "just going through the motions", there is just so much that hasn't happened yet.

The F.O. walks around ignoring open doors, open access panels, attached ground power cords and attached fueling equipment.

The ground crew member at SWA completes the walk around after all aircraft servicing is complete. During this later time frame he/she is able to assess that no damage was inflicted by vehicles in very close proximity to the aircraft and all service doors and access panels are secure before push back begins. It really does work better from a practicality standpoint.
Same thing happens at Delta. Underwing inspects the plane for damage before moving equipment to the plane and then again, after removing the equipment. That's the theory anyway.
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
Same thing happens at Delta. Underwing inspects the plane for damage before moving equipment to the plane and then again, after removing the equipment. That's the theory anyway.
Ha ha ha... In theory
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu View Post
When the F.O. goes out and conducts a walk around after arriving at the aircraft or on a thru flight, I don't think they are "just going through the motions", there is just so much that hasn't happened yet.

The F.O. walks around ignoring open doors, open access panels, attached ground power cords and attached fueling.
Wow! Is that your opinion of your F/Os? Do you express your opinions of their ignorance of their walk around? And who would your F/O deem to be the TOD with such a tenet?
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:12 PM
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Notice how no other company has followed WN's model for rampers doing walkarounds. If you're the only one doing it, there's a reason why.

I am friends with a WN ramper... I get texts fairly frequently with a picture of what he saw on the walkaround not understanding what he's looking at and if it's a problem (yes he does bring it to the crew's attention- usually they blow him off).

Letting non-pilots or mechanics inspect something that they don't really know how to inspect? Awful idea.

Sure, some guys just go through the motions, but the majority understand that they have skin in the game.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:22 PM
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I am friends with a WN ramper... I get texts fairly frequently with a picture of what he saw on the walkaround not understanding what he's looking at and if it's a problem (yes he does bring it to the crew's attention- usually they blow him off).
Come on, really?

You honestly believe that a ramper brings up a potentially abnormal component of the aircraft and it is blown off?

The push back driver that is in direct communication with the crew is the one responsible for the walk around. That person directly communicates that the aircraft has been inspected and ready for pushback.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu View Post
Come on, really?

You honestly believe that a ramper brings up a potentially abnormal component of the aircraft and it is blown off?

The push back driver that is in direct communication with the crew is the one responsible for the walk around. That person directly communicates that the aircraft has been inspected and ready for pushback.
It happens plenty. "We'll take it back to BWI and take care of it there." Most of the rampers don't even bring stuff up, just let it go as is. Just because it's been inspected doesn't mean they know what they were looking at.

You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
You also didn't believe me when I took one look at the LGA landing video and immediately identified that is a very unstable approach. I know you've got your bias, but open up your eyes!
This is posted in satire/jest.

But imagine if you will, in something like a FOQA event/recorded data event review. And if, I SAY AGAIN IF there were cameras in the cockpit.

It's TOD in a B717. The auto throttles come creeping back. There's an objet perched NOT where it SHOULD be behind them. And, well, ya know..........

It's be one of those videos where the caption is "wait for it........wait for it.........BOOM"

Man, that would be a FUN video to watch. Probably the proverbial "Christmas tree" in the cockpit, some w-t-effery, etc.

Altitude is ALWAYS a pilots friend.....
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
This is posted in satire/jest.

But imagine if you will, in something like a FOQA event/recorded data event review. And if, I SAY AGAIN IF there were cameras in the cockpit.

It's TOD in a B717. The auto throttles come creeping back. There's an objet perched NOT where it SHOULD be behind them. And, well, ya know..........

It's be one of those videos where the caption is "wait for it........wait for it.........BOOM"

Man, that would be a FUN video to watch. Probably the proverbial "Christmas tree" in the cockpit, some w-t-effery, etc.

Altitude is ALWAYS a pilots friend.....
Those guys did it right on their screw up, too! The moment they got into the gate, they were making all the phone calls and fessing up to what happened! Immediate improvements were made to the 717 cockpit as a result.
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