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Old 04-12-2015, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
If he had on a bluetooth would you have even noticed?
Maybe, maybe not. Still pathetic.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
If he had on a bluetooth would you have even noticed?
Would a bluetooth mean he was paying any more attention?
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thevagabond View Post
Would a bluetooth mean he was paying any more attention?
That's the problem, isn't it? I'd bet most F/Os merely look in the correct directions during walkarounds without even seeing what they're supposed to be looking for.

SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
That's the problem, isn't it? I'd bet most F/Os merely look in the correct directions during walkarounds without even seeing what they're supposed to be looking for.

SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.

Ha! Nice opinion of your professional colleagues! I'm sure YOU are the only one who is REALLY doing your job, as well. GMAFB.
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Old 04-13-2015, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
That's the problem, isn't it? I'd bet most F/Os merely look in the correct directions during walkarounds without even seeing what they're supposed to be looking for.

SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
I don't trust anyone on the ground on the condition of my aircraft that is not going up with me.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
That's the problem, isn't it? I'd bet most F/Os merely look in the correct directions during walkarounds without even seeing what they're supposed to be looking for.

SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
I've grounded plenty of airplanes at outstations based on stuff my FO's find and report. Not only do they seem to be doing the walkaround, they also seem to be able to make the tough call of telling me about discrepancies that are going to mess up our day, rather than just blowing it off or "finding" it back at the hub. No complaints.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
That's the problem, isn't it? I'd bet most F/Os merely look in the correct directions during walkarounds without even seeing what they're supposed to be looking for.

SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
Having been on both sides, I disagree with you completely. Ground personnel like to 'go through the motions' even more so than the crew. The F/O must fly in the aircraft he/she is pre-flighting, unlike the rampie. And typically your flight crew is taking a walk around quiz as part of their initial and/or upgrade orals.

Funny how stations like to imply that minor things should always wait until the aircraft goes to maintenance simply because they do not want to deal with a planeload of delayed passengers.

I'd rather have my first officer, or myself doing this.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
SWA might have the correct system. The F/O does the walk the first flight of the day, the ground crews do the rest. I'd guess their ground crews catch more problems than the average F/O who is just going through the motions.
Years ago we used to alternate doing the walk around. I can't say we caught any more discrepancies that way, but it was just the tradition.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey View Post
Get back across that line Yankee, our weather is better, our women are hotter and our food tastes way better.
OK, we have to put an end to this debate, r.e. Southern Girls vs. Northern Girls.

Right now, go to You Tube, and watch these two videos:

1. Sh!t Southern Women Say
2. Sh!t Boston Girls Say

(Last time I posted them here I got a warning from a Mod)

Questions? None!

Good day Lieutenant!
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Years ago we used to alternate doing the walk around. I can't say we caught any more discrepancies that way, but it was just the tradition.
And now tell them how we checked for hot brakes!

(hint...if your pee hisses and steams... they are hot!)
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