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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
She also wanted my ramper friend to hand push up a broken jet bridge to the plane at his station. Stuck her head out of the open cockpit window yelling at them to get the jetbridge to the plane.
I don't think that was ever in a 70's disco song.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I don't think that was ever in a 70's disco song.
It wasn't. That is the real tragedy.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
"Get down, gotta get down!" from the CA to the FO via the CVR ... changing the flaps to 40 below 1000 feet then grabbing the plane from the FO and slamming the plane into the runway might be clues to what will be focused on. Those have all been released.
When you made the statements you made concerning an unstable approach, no CVR data had been released. I chastised you for jumping to unverified conclusions with no evidence to support your claims other than a blurry and unsubstantiated video.

Stabilized approach criteria were actually met at the time the FOM requires them: 1000 feet above TDZE, aircraft on glide slope and speed, fully configured.

Why the Captain made the decision to take control of the aircraft and subsequently violate stabilized approach criteria is anyone's guess except yours, you obviosly have it all figured out long before the NTSB.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
When you made the statements you made concerning an unstable approach, no CVR data had been released. I chastised you for jumping to unverified conclusions with no evidence to support your claims other than a blurry and unsubstantiated video.

Stabilized approach criteria were actually met at the time the FOM requires them: 1000 feet above TDZE, aircraft on glide slope and speed, fully configured.

Why the Captain made the decision to take control of the aircraft and subsequently violate stabilized approach criteria is anyone's guess except yours, you obviosly have it all figured out long before the NTSB.
Wut? The CVR has been released. So has the FDR. They were not configured at 1000 feet... the flaps were moved to 40 below 1000 feet (IIRC around 800 feet).
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Old 04-13-2015 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Wut? The CVR has been released. So has the FDR. They were not configured at 1000 feet... the flaps were moved to 40 below 1000 feet (IIRC around 800 feet).
When you made your all knowing statements about what happened in this incident, it was only days after the incident and nothing had been released yet!

Stabilized approach criteria were met at the time the SWA books require them-1000 feet above TDZE. Again, why the Captain made the choices to reconfigure below 1000 ft is anyone's guess but I will reserve that decision for the NTSB and not you.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
When you made your all knowing statements about what happened in this incident, it was only days after the incident and nothing had been released yet!

Stabilized approach criteria were met at the time the SWA books require them-1000 feet above TDZE. Again, why the Captain made the choices to reconfigure below 1000 ft is anyone's guess but I will reserve that decision for the NTSB and not you.
They changed configuration below 1000 feet. That is not ok in any book.

Everyone always lands at full flaps in LGA... cutting power to idle that early in a 737 will always result in it coming out of the sky. It's not an all knowing statement... it's experience. You run out of energy very quick at Flaps 40 in the 737 at idle, and that is what happened. It's not high math to understand that.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 10:25 PM
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80,

Justdoinmyjob seems to say that Delta has the same procedure? I'm not sure why you think having a ramper walk around the aircraft before push is a bad idea? I've even had them catch something that the FO overlooked on his preflight. Tell your ramper friend that their efforts are appreciated and put yourself in for a TOTD nomination for derailing a good thread.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
Get back across that line Yankee, our weather is better, our women are hotter and our food tastes way better.


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Ask the folks in Tuskaloosa how they like their weather, and while your sister is hot, you remarking about her that way, is well.....
The only place I have seen the "How to recognize you are having a stroke" billboard signs are in the south.
But carry on.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
The United Express E175 FO who did his walk around talking on the cellphone.

Gate 43 SAN.

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Skywest didn't lower the bar, they threw it away.
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Old 04-13-2015 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
80,

Justdoinmyjob seems to say that Delta has the same procedure? I'm not sure why you think having a ramper walk around the aircraft before push is a bad idea? I've even had them catch something that the FO overlooked on his preflight. Tell your ramper friend that their efforts are appreciated and put yourself in for a TOTD nomination for derailing a good thread.
WN foregoes any pilot from doing the walkaround during any turn except for first flight of the day for the crew. That is the rub.

All other carriers differ from WN on the procedure.

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